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Re: Dangers of Mobile Phone Masts. Help.

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I have read several studies linking mobile mast radiation to cancer and there have been links with young children when exposed over a long period to leukemia.
Long term?

The masts have existed for less than 20 years!

How can anyone determine long term effects?

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Old 12.12.2011, 19:17
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Re: Dangers of Mobile Phone Masts. Help.

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I have read several studies linking mobile mast radiation to cancer and there have been links with young children when exposed over a long period to leukemia. Of course everyone has their own opinion as to what is a safe level but nothing has been proved or disproved.

Obviously mobile phone companies have their own interest saying there's no risk but everyone must make up their own mind. Years ago tobacco companies claimed smoking was good for you we now know it causes lung cancer and people who smoke are now aware of the health implications. The same with tanning beds.

I believe it's up to the individual to have a choice.
Yes of course it is your choice.
But, that doesn't mean your landlord is responsible for your beliefs (which I find, could be justfied).
So.... you'll just have to move, because you're simply not going to be able to win this one (there are masts all over the place).
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Old 12.12.2011, 19:21
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Re: Dangers of Mobile Phone Masts. Help.

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I have read several studies linking mobile mast radiation to cancer and there have been links with young children when exposed over a long period to leukemia. Of course everyone has their own opinion as to what is a safe level but nothing has been proved or disproved.

Obviously mobile phone companies have their own interest saying there's no risk but everyone must make up their own mind. Years ago tobacco companies claimed smoking was good for you we now know it causes lung cancer and people who smoke are now aware of the health implications. The same with tanning beds.

I believe it's up to the individual to have a choice.
You're quite right it is up to the individual to believe what they want. But in the interest of fairness I would point out that studies like this one are not sponsored or supported by the telecommunications industry, are peer-reviewed and are conducted by scientists qualified to carry them out. Just like the scientists who have published to demonstrate the risks of tanning beds.
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Old 12.12.2011, 19:47
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Re: Dangers of Mobile Phone Masts. Help.

The difference to the tobacco situation is that the "studies" that you mention do not exist. Neither does the "WHO recommendation" as per your first post. Never mind that most places in urban Switzerland are a lot closer to a mobile phone mast than 400m.
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I have read several studies linking mobile mast radiation to cancer and there have been links with young children when exposed over a long period to leukemia. Of course everyone has their own opinion as to what is a safe level but nothing has been proved or disproved.

Obviously mobile phone companies have their own interest saying there's no risk but everyone must make up their own mind. Years ago tobacco companies claimed smoking was good for you we now know it causes lung cancer and people who smoke are now aware of the health implications. The same with tanning beds.

I believe it's up to the individual to have a choice.
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Old 12.12.2011, 19:50
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Thank you all very much for your replies, very much appreciated

I know for some this is not a problem but we are not comfortable with the situation and it would not have been our choice to live in such close proximity to a mobile base station had it been there when we were viewing the apartment.

I should have thought the landlord would have been aware of this, as I would have thought permissions or permits are needed to erect these stations?

We will be contacting a lawyer to see where we stand legally and hopefully clarify the situation.
I have worked in the past designing and engineering mobile base-station locations, and I can tell you first hand that the radiation levels of all locations near the base-station are carefully calculated not to exceed safe limits (look into NISV limits: for ex here and here), I did hundreds of these calculations years ago (very boring).

The limits here in Switzerland are 10x stricter than Germany and other EU countries. It's a thorough process. And approval to build a site (or expand/modify one) is alot harder here than anyplace else in Europe. If an antenna has been built on your roof, you can be sure it has gone thru the normal vetting and approval process, and has been approved by BAKOM (or OFCOM or whoever the agency is/was). I seriously doubt a lawyer will be able to do anything for you except take your money and tell you what I just told you here for free. There might be some "anti-elecrtosmog" groups around who might be willing to come to your home and measure if the RF is actually within the correct limits, but other than that, there's not much you can do besides move. I understand even if everything is "within proper limits" people get nervous anyway, especially if you have young kids.

On a side note, I remember a few times when we contructed the mast, and put antennas on it, but the base-station was not yet connected and power on, and already people were calling and complaining that the radiation was giving them headaches and they couldn't sleep at night (!!).
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Re: Dangers of Mobile Phone Masts. Help.

Dear Rosehip,

Contact ARA, Association Romande aux ondes électromagnétiques - Swiss romande association EM waves, EM advocacy group.

secretariat@alerte.ch

The Webmaster knows English. They should be able to advise you.
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Re: Dangers of Mobile Phone Masts. Help.

I would repeat what others have previously said, if you think that the mobile phone masts are a problem, then you are looking in the wrong place. You carry your mobile phone on you, in contact with your body. The antenna is a lot further away. If you think there is a problem, the first thing to do is get rid of your mobile phone, not the antenna.
Current mobile phones adjust their transmitting power as a function of the strength of the mobile phone signal received from the antenna. Having an antenna close to you means your phone is probably actually transmitting significantly less power than if it were further away.
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Old 16.12.2011, 18:05
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I have read several studies linking mobile mast radiation to cancer and there have been links with young children when exposed over a long period to leukemia. Of course everyone has their own opinion as to what is a safe level but nothing has been proved or disproved.
Ok, I have worked for a company that builds those things and then for a company that runs them in Switzerland. I have a different opinion than you about it, but I can totally accept yours. However, I know some facts about those towers:
1. you will nowhere in urban parts of Switzerland be more than 400 meters away from a tower. Trust me, the chance is really small. You will have a VERY hard time finding a place to live without cell tower nearby. And yes, I'd like to see this 400 Meter recommendation as it sounds completely idiotic to me: There are very different types of mobile base stations, some strong enough for remote mountain valleys, other so small that they cover only a part of a large room. A general rule is therefore by default completely useless.
2. These outdoor towers send their signals only horizontally, so the weakest electric field and worst mobile signal is directly under them.
3. Make an educated guess: What has the higher potential health risk, a tower 50 Meters away or a phone 5 cm from your brain? Mobile phones are build in a way that they will try to make a good call quality. That means wherever you have a BAD signal will the phone radiate STRONGER than if it has a good signal. It simply increases the strength till the signal is good enough.
So some health tips that are logical and even electric engineers will agree to:
- avoid using it in a closed car without external antenna connected.
- avoid using it indoors with bad reception.
- if you are really worried about it, use a headset.

So as strange as it make sound to you: There are very good reasons why a tower near you might be more healthy than having no tower near you but using the phone a lot...

And of course: The power and radiation of all your other electronics in the house a FAR stronger than your mobile. That's a fact.

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We won't have to it was erected today and in full view - can't now be missed.
I think this is the core of the problem: Now you can see it, so you worry. You probably always lived near one but you simply were never aware of it. I am very sure that a cell tower is not a valid reason to break a lease contract.
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Old 16.12.2011, 18:09
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Re: Dangers of Mobile Phone Masts. Help.

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I believe it's up to the individual to have a choice.
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What you seek is Orgonite.
I have Orgonite.
Meet me tonight at the Viadukt.
Bring cash. Lots of cash.

Much much much cheaper than a lawyer and probably more effective...
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On a side note, I remember a few times when we contructed the mast, and put antennas on it, but the base-station was not yet connected and power on, and already people were calling and complaining that the radiation was giving them headaches and they couldn't sleep at night (!!).
The "reverse placebo" effect of believing that the nearby tower makes you ill has been scientifically researched... people could not sense at all if the tower was on or off.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6914492.stm
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Since it is so important to you I would have thought you would have specifically asked the landlord about phone masts, or even better, enquired at the relevant local government organisation as to whether there were any plans to install a base station near your chosen apartment.
It is impossible to always know what is planned many months in advance. The application for the permit may have been submitted well after the OP moved in. This is easy to check. Even if the landlord knew, landlords never volunteer any information, particularly if it might be perceived as negative.

To the OP, if you have serious concerns, look at your lease and give notice to the first possible date you can without having to find someone to take over the contract. Then it will be the landlord's problem to find a new tenant, not yours. If you want to move sooner, you would have to find someone yourself.
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Re: Dangers of Mobile Phone Masts. Help.

I understand the op's concern, especially when she has young children and especially since nobody really knows whether they harm or not.

On a more general basis I would like to add that everybody wants electricity everywhere but nobody wants to live next to a power plant; we all buy manufactured goods but nobody wants to live next to a factory: we all want good cellphone coverage and wireless internet but nobody wants to live next to a mobile phone mast.

If you really feel uneasy about it you'll have to move house, the owner is certainly not responsible for it being put up in the neighborhood.
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