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Old 12.12.2011, 22:13
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Re: How important is your living space to you?

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When looking around I saw some different flats, but the difference between "functional but meh" and "wow" is about 1400 CHFs a month. And I was thinking there's a helluva lot of other stuff you can spend 1400 CHFs on a month (even in Swiss ).
You're right. When we started our apartment search we saw some flats that were nice, but not fab, so we decided to spend less to get something perfectly good, but not fabulous. So the apartment we're moving to is spacious and light, is a great commute for my husband, but the kitchen is average, and it's not the attika with a great view. But it's less than we spend now by a little bit, and it's about CHF 1000 a month less than we were prepared to spend. I think it was a smart choice for us.

When we first moved here, we knew that if we didn't like where we lived, we'd not last, so we looked for something fab. The place we have now is an attika with a great view. It is fab in some ways. But there have also been some issues with the place and I'm happy to leave, although I will miss my very nice Swiss neighbors.

I think it's a multivariate problem - you need some basic threshold - perhaps size or number of rooms, commute - but then you have to balance cost, environment, neighborhood, view, and it's a lot of juggling.
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Old 12.12.2011, 22:41
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Re: How important is your living space to you?

Having to "live big lives in miniscule spaces" of commie absurdistan...I always found myself surrounded by a lot more interesting characters when I lived in not so fancy areas, people more eager to share, were more inspiring..I used to turn unlivable places into communal homes for a group of enthusiasts of autonomous living, too, that was fun.

I prefer spaces with character, than sterile. I think a place has to resonate with me, it's not really about comfort or square meters. I don't like plastic much, fake things, formaica and hotel feel and unbroken in.

So, I wouldn't sacrifice a horrendous rent just to have uber busy life to have to actually be able to afford it. I am too busy for that, anyways. All my friends have peculiar living spaces, usually not so pricey, but comfy and presentable, and it is actually how they live that matters more than rent they pay or snob location. Home is only a vehicle for your life.
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Old 12.12.2011, 23:08
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When looking around I saw some different flats, but the difference between "functional but meh" and "wow" is about 1400 CHFs a month. And I was thinking there's a helluva lot of other stuff you can spend 1400 CHFs on a month (even in Swiss ).
That's sort of a different question. I wouldn't take "meh". But I wouldn't pay 1400 more for "wow". I want between "meh" & "wow".
I'm having the car either way!
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Old 12.12.2011, 23:10
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Re: How important is your living space to you?

I would rather take public transport than compromise on my accomodation. My living space is the most important thing to me - I live and work in it 80% of the week. I am a closet hermit, if given a choice, I rather stay in my home 100% of the time

As with the apartments I've rented and bought in my life, it has to be bright, airy and all about location, location, location. Quiet and safe area is priority. I lived opposite Sihl City when I first moved to Zurich and the noise from the trams drove me bonkers. Also, I rather pay a bit more for a nicer place than put up with an apartment which hasnt been refurbished since 1970.

And oh, handbags and shoes are from a totally different money pot
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would you take a worse apartment if you could instead spend the difference on a new handbag or designer dress each month?
Better apartment, car, designer handbag for me please
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Old 12.12.2011, 23:18
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Re: How important is your living space to you?

I prefer the ok 4 1/2 room apartment, three cars, seven motorcycles, one moped, two garages, and separate one room apartment we currently have!

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Re: How important is your living space to you?

Each to their own, heylol.
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Old 12.12.2011, 23:35
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Re: How important is your living space to you?

Accomodation is so important....having two dogs and two cats we need open space and rooms!!!

A nice car is also nice......hence my current location Pfaeffikon, ZH.
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Re: How important is your living space to you?

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True, but unfortunately OH still needs to keep his nose to the grindstone - and the daily commute from the Jura into Zürich would get to be a bit much after a while.

But if commuting wasn't an issue, I'd probably go just a tad further west than the Romandie. Here for instance:

http://upwaterfront.com/listings/?pr...=lake_superior

Wouldn't have to worry about disturbing the neighbors at all.
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Old 13.12.2011, 03:18
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But if commuting wasn't an issue, I'd probably go just a tad further west than the Romandie. Here for instance:

http://upwaterfront.com/listings/?pr...=lake_superior

Wouldn't have to worry about disturbing the neighbors at all.
I know right? If only commuting wasn't an issue. Sigh.
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Old 13.12.2011, 06:54
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Mind you, single guys trying to attract the ladies probably should think about getting somewhere nice - no girl is going to enjoy spending the night in a dump! When I had that apartment in town I spent most of my time at my boyfriends as he had a bedroom 3 times the size of mine and a much nicer bathroom
Who wants her to stay the night???

That said, I opted for nice crib, no wheels. I can afford both, but I don't need or really want a car. Public transit gets me everywhere I want to go in reasonable time, and at the end of the day, it's so much nicer having a good home to come back to.

(that said, I'm no longer trying to,pick up chicks every night, so probably also a different life stage than then OP)
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Old 13.12.2011, 10:08
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... two garages
Good point, a man needs a decent man-cave Living space is very important to me in a sense that it has to allow for all the hobbies I have.
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Re: How important is your living space to you?

I need quite a bit of space; Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Austria, Hungary and that eastern strip of France beyond the Vosges (again).

Then west, to battle Napolean with some Swiss mercenaries.

Historically accurate, a political hot potato.
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Old 13.12.2011, 10:18
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Re: How important is your living space to you?

My living space is my refuge. Location is important. The inside even more. It doesn't have to be luxury but the kitchen must be quite big and practical. For the rest, I do the deco myself, painting, etc.

I need to like what i see inside and out the window.
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Mind you, single guys trying to attract the ladies probably should think about getting somewhere nice - no girl is going to enjoy spending the night in a dump!
I think some of my guy friends would disagree and say that if she's drunk enough to come home with you, she's drunk enough not to notice what your flat looks like. Thus, you spend the saved money on buying women drinks instead.
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Old 13.12.2011, 10:44
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Re: How important is your living space to you?

Pfff, the car is one thing, but I cannot make do without my helipad.
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That's sort of a different question. I wouldn't take "meh". But I wouldn't pay 1400 more for "wow". I want between "meh" & "wow".
I'm having the car either way!
but everything which isn't wow, is for me just 'meh'
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Old 13.12.2011, 11:24
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Re: How important is your living space to you?

The honest answer is, my living space is very important, and a product of fate and compromise I suppose. One can rarely get everything they want.

Principally, I would like to have some more space, especially storage room in the flat. Secondly, I would like to own rather than rent at some point.

On the other hand I value the fact that my apartment is close to the city but still in a quiet area. We could not enjoy to live outside the city all that much, even if the apartment was twice as big. I also value that the rent is reasonable. I am not interested in a flash car, but am interested in being able to save something each month. I also like very much that there is some greenery outside our bedroom and living room windows. A few trees are worth a lot, i can tell you, especially when so close to the city center.

I also value that our bedroom is much larger than the typical swiss shoebox... even when looking at buying most of the bedrooms are very small. For me this effectively gives two nice living spaces.... one being the living room and the other the bedroom. A cramped bedroom is somewhere simply to retreat to sleep.

Over the years I have modelled our living room from something very basic into somewhere I am very happy to hang out. I can say, this does mean a lot to me.

Would be great though if Swiss property was much less expensive and I could afford a nice big house. Nothing massive, just reasonable.
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Old 13.12.2011, 11:30
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Re: How important is your living space to you?

I got my first nice place when I moved here, sick of paying though the nose for crappy rented places in the UK, I went for something modern, well insulated, sound proof, spacious and not without a single hint of beige. It's not in the town centre, but it's close to work and has good public transport straight to town. I don't have a car, I wouldn't mind one for pleasure, but would hate to need one. Mobility is a great and cost effective solution if you find you only need a car occasionaly.

If you consider the extra cost for a car against a cheaper place further out, don't also forget the extra amount of time you'll be spending in a little box with a stereo, stuck in traffic, time is money too.
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