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Old 07.01.2012, 17:50
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Re: charge for lost keys

I lost in a different continent and apparently it was thrown away to a big grabage box since it was in an old suitecase. Chances it will get to the wring hands are same as the sun will explode tomorrow... So safety is not an issue in my particular case.


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See my post above - if you wait too long, the insurance will definitely not pay it, as they will argue that there is no security risk any more.

If you have insurance, it's important to report the loss immediately. If you don't have insurance, it's up to you - but for peace of mind if nothing else, I'd still take care of it sooner rather than later.

(The interest on your bank account is typically only a fraction of a percent anyway - so 0.5% of CHF1000 is - what, two cups of coffee a year? 'Fess up and get the locks changed so you can get it off your mind.)
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Old 07.01.2012, 19:46
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I lost in a different continent and apparently it was thrown away to a big grabage box since it was in an old suitecase. Chances it will get to the wring hands are same as the sun will explode tomorrow... So safety is not an issue in my particular case.
I'm assuming you don't have liability insurance (you've sidestepped the question several times now.) That's OK, it is not mandatory to have, but you might want to consider getting some. It's not that expensive. I know, hindsight is 20/20 and all that...

Assuming you don't have insurance then it makes no difference how long you wait. I like to take care of things like this immediately so that I can completely forget about them - but that's just a personal choice. If you prefer to wait that's OK too.
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Old 07.01.2012, 20:34
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Re: charge for lost keys

I learned to neglect minor obstabcles and concentrate on significant issues..
But I won't forget it when the agency will demand the key back


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I'm assuming you don't have liability insurance (you've sidestepped the question several times now.) That's OK, it is not mandatory to have, but you might want to consider getting some. It's not that expensive. I know, hindsight is 20/20 and all that...

Assuming you don't have insurance then it makes no difference how long you wait. I like to take care of things like this immediately so that I can completely forget about them - but that's just a personal choice. If you prefer to wait that's OK too.
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Re: charge for lost keys

Hi

In Switzerland if a key is lost or stolen, then all the cylinders of the building like you appartment entrance door, cellar, garage, main entrance door of building must be changed which makes the whole quite expensive. I guess this is about CHF 1000.00

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Old 07.01.2012, 22:46
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i have had replacement kaba keys (without the electronic chip) cut at all the main supermarkets in france and germany surrounding basel for about 20 euro
Kaba Star keys? If it is those, then those locksmiths are breaking the law. Kaba Star keys should only be copied if provided with the piece of paper that was given out with the original keys. Also, consider this - the guy sees you arriving with a Swiss number plate, those are usually traceable with the CarIndex, you ask for spare keys, what's to stop him from making an extra copy and passing it on to interested parties?

There's a reason for the stringent key policy, yes, it's a shame that it's so expensive that people try and find ways around it but it's there for safety reasons. If I heard that my fellow tennants were just losing keys willy-nilly and not keeping a close eye on who has keys to the building, I would file a complaint with the landlord.
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Hi

In Switzerland if a key is lost or stolen, then all the cylinders of the building like you appartment entrance door, cellar, garage, main entrance door of building must be changed which makes the whole quite expensive. I guess this is about CHF 1000.00

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This is not true, it really does depend on the type/age of the style of key.
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Kaba Star keys?If it is those, then those locksmiths are breaking the law. Kaba Star keys should only be copied if provided with the piece of paper that was given out with the original keys. Also, consider this - the guy sees you arriving with a Swiss number plate, those are usually traceable with the CarIndex, you ask for spare keys, what's to stop him from making an extra copy and passing it on to interested parties?

There's a reason for the stringent key policy, yes, it's a shame that it's so expensive that people try and find ways around it but it's there for safety reasons. If I heard that my fellow tennants were just losing keys willy-nilly and not keeping a close eye on who has keys to the building, I would file a complaint with the landlord.
your source and art. number for french and german laws that prevent keys being copied please.
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Old 08.01.2012, 08:29
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Re: charge for lost keys

We have the new style of keys unable to be copied by Mr Minit. My husbands bag was stolen and his house key with it. We'd been advised by the agency when we moved in that if we lost a key we'd be up for 'about 4'000 chf to change all the locks and keys in the building.

Thankfully when we phoned the agency only charged us 600 chf to change our lock and keys as they didn't deem it a security risk (my husbands address was not in his bag).
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Old 09.01.2012, 08:59
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Kaba Star keys?
No problem to have them copied in Italy, either.

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We have the new style of keys unable to be copied by Mr Minit. My husbands bag was stolen and his house key with it. We'd been advised by the agency when we moved in that if we lost a key we'd be up for 'about 4'000 chf to change all the locks and keys in the building.

Thankfully when we phoned the agency only charged us 600 chf to change our lock and keys as they didn't deem it a security risk (my husbands address was not in his bag).
'only' 600 CHF ? It is a lot.

That 4000 CHF bit seems to be too high too.
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No problem to have them copied in Italy, either.

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When you have Kaba Star / Kaba 20 keys, your contract with Kaba states that it is prohibited to copy the keys as you are infringing on their patent rights. Only authorised Kaba key makers are allowed to make those keys. When a Kaba key is copied, Kaba is notified of this and adds the new key, with its number, to their database. If you lose a Kaba key and someone hands it to the police/lost and found, they can contact Kaba and Kaba will in turn know right away who the key belongs to - that is, if you/your landlord have registered it properly with Kaba.

To be honest, if you are happily copying keys for your own home or if you need a few more keys than the standard number provided and are keeping a close eye on where those extra keys are, I couldn't care less. But if someone in a block of flats is losing their keys out of lack of care / randomly lending keys to friends who are not careful with them and then, instead of reporting the loss to the landlord, just making new copies, I have a problem, as this is a safety risk for me. Also, the landlord should check that the keys handed back correspond with the numbers on his Schlüsselplan, as in, match the key number to the keys on the list. If your key has no number, the landlord will find out that you a) just copied a Kaba key that you are not allowed to copy and b) failed to report lost keys to him. Chances are, they will change the locks regardless.

As for those who had to pay for a lot of locks being replaced, I guess there is the issue of "how many keys can be lost before you change the locks". After a certain number it is going to be necessary and if you are that "straw that broke the camel's back", then I guess it's going to be expensive.

Like I said, I just don't get how you can lose something as important as keys, other than by having your bag stolen. It's like the lady at work who managed to lose her badge to enter the building and then got all upset that she had to pay 30 francs to have it replaced - in eight years of working there she was the only member of our team who managed to lose her badge - and I am a super-chaotic, messy, disorganised person. Be careful with your stuff and you don't have to pay for it being replaced. Yes, that is 100% stereotype Swiss thinking.
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Old 09.01.2012, 14:16
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Re: charge for lost keys

Actually, we've only lost one key, and found it later the same day (I had my step-son retrace his steps, found it where he had stopped to go fishing), but I have had extras made in the past, though with the new ones (they changed doors and locks recently) I just had them make me an extra three, though considering the price, I should have had them made in Italy and save CHF 100+!

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'only' 600 CHF ? It is a lot.

That 4000 CHF bit seems to be too high too.
Just found the bill. It was 300 per cylinder with keys (for the door and the cave). We had to pay for installation also.

10 apartments and caves plus the block door would add up to 4'000 chf pretty quickly.
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Re: charge for lost keys

I found my keys! So, it was a smart idea not to inform the agency about it!
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Re: charge for lost keys

I lost my bag pack in Spain with my keys in it and I've got charged CH525 in Basel.
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Re: charge for lost keys

Perhaps you could ask your liability insurance (if you have any) to reimburse it...?

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your source and art. number for french and german laws that prevent keys being copied please.
Swiss law
Art.41 of SR 232.12
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Re: charge for lost keys

Yes, but the question was concerning French and German laws, not Swiss!

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Yes, but the question was concerning French and German laws, not Swiss!

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I'm pretty sure patent/copyright laws usually have an international element to them? But then those ruddy Europeans do what they want anyway
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