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Haus Meister thinks he is a Policeman

Hi all, I am new here on the forum. HELLO . Thanks in advance for the tips.
I have a problem with my landlord and his need to deploy his Swiss civil sense of responsibility. I have a situation where I have a car here in Switzerland that is registered in Holland. The car is an old Porsche. I keep this car registered in Holland at my address there in Amsterdam. It's quite a saving for insurance and old timer road taxes. Rather than going through all the hassle of getting it through the Swiss import and roadworthy checks ect ect, it is more simple just to leave the car on Dutch plates for the 2 or 3 three times a year I drive the car. Problem.... The man I rent my house from has told me that I have to have the car registered in Switzerland or he will go to the police! Nice ol chap ay!. I have at the moment taken the plates off the car to pacify the man.
I have two questions that can clarify things.
I have an address in Holland even though I am angemeldet here in Zurich, the reason being that I originally moved here from Germany which was my second address in Europe. Therefore I still have a Dutch address. This entitles the car to be registered at this address. First of all is this a common and/or a legal situation and are there any consequences for having this set up. (any advice or legalities are appreciated, not just car related)
What would be the possible scenarios be if police were called and were to become involved. I would like to show the man that he has no right interfering with my private life and the way I administer my affaires and 2 that he is incorrect when the car is in my name, registered in the city where I have a known address. The thing is that being here not for such a long period is that im am not sure if I am correct or there are things I am overlooking. I would also like to find the written proof, if everything is legal, to shove it up his A$%^&*(!. Anyone who can help out sure as hell will get a beer on me.

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Re: Haus Meister thinks he is a Policeman

I only know this : you are allowed to have your old plates for a year . all other infro you can find at the local dept of motor vehicles called vercar samt (spelled totally wrong ) if you ask or look on the web site should find the info .
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Old 23.10.2007, 09:35
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Re: Haus Meister thinks he is a Policeman

You are allowed to keep an imported car here for one year before it has to be submitted for testing to be Swiss registered. It makes no difference if you pop out of the country in that year, what matters is when you first registered here.

So if the police are called within the 12 months since you registered you're OK - after that I'd report you myself. Why should we all obey the rules and you not?
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Re: Haus Meister thinks he is a Policeman

We had our UK car with UK plates and insured in the UK here for over a year, we were told that we had 2 years before we had to import the car and put swiss plates on however we were stopped at the border once and were asked for papers, we had no idea what they were asking for and we didn't have any papers (think he was asking for a yellow paper) but we were definitely told directly from the car registration/importing place we had 2 years
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Re: Haus Meister thinks he is a Policeman

The two years is actually how long you can have the car without clearing customs/paying import duty.

The relevant text from the document I recieved from Swiss customs is:

Quote:
Foreign motor vehicles and trailers must be provided with Swiss vehicle registration certificates and
Swiss licence plates:
a) if they have been located in Switzerland for more than one year without interruption of more
than three consecutive months;
b) if the holder has been staying in Switzerland for more than one year without interruption of more
than three consecutive months and he has been using the vehicle here for more than one month;
So if you are living here, and your car is living here then you have to register it in Switzerland irrespective of if you still have an address in the Nederlands aswell.
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Re: Haus Meister thinks he is a Policeman

What about this scenario, to get around the law. Sell the car to a family member in Holland. Tax and insure it in Holland so that its road legal there and store it in Zurich. Drive it when you want on Dutch plates, since it is not legally your car, you just have access to drive it. Interesting thought, but probably this isn't allowed due to some law, if the car is in CH full time.

The other situation is to tax and insure it in CH, then it is completely legal. The only issue that you have here is that you probably didn't declare the car as your personal effects when you entered CH, probably more than a year ago. We have just registered our car here, but I do believe that you have a number of years to bring all your personal effects into the country, so you may be within this period. This would be worth looking in to. Can someone in the forum help, from memory I think that you have three years to bring your personal effects into CH, but I may be wrong.

Will the car pass the Strassenverkehrs test for CH?

Is there special old timer insurance in CH? Can anyone help?

I think that seeing whether you can bring the car into CH is your best option. Unfortunately this will cost!
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Re: Haus Meister thinks he is a Policeman

Thanks for the info, super to get informed. It is a bit of a situation where i get stung. I want to keep the car here as it is my project. But i dont need the extra costs of registration and insurance. Not to mention the problems having it registered with the strassenvekersamt. (Too many modifications as it was my Nurburgring club racing car). The car is a 944 turbo 1986 so i think it doesnt qualify for the "oldtimer" status until its 25 (?)years old. Then the modifications are not an issue, so i was told. mmmm what to do. I think i need to go and see the local police and ask.
Any other handy hints, like oldtimer insurance, clubs ect??

Is anyone involved in Auto cross, Rally, Hill Climbs here in Switzerland? I was wondering what kinds of motorsport is possible here in switzerland as closed circut road racing is not.

Cheers Indy
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Re: Haus Meister thinks he is a Policeman

I'd be more concerned about the insurance if I was you. We all know how insurance companies love to get out of having to pay. So if you have a bad accident and they find out about the real situation, I'm sure they will do their best to get out of it.....

Jim
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Re: Haus Meister thinks he is a Policeman

One other thing, if you are earning a wage here in Switzerland, and you are still registered with the Dutch 'gemeinde', you have to be careful, as the Dutch tax authorities might come after you. Since you are still regsitered there, you might have to prove you are not a legal resident (alien?) for tax purposes; in other words, have you thought about the tax situation in the Netherlands if you stay registered?
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