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FloraG 06.03.2012 15:24

Working in Geneva, living in France - accomodation for a family
 
My husband looks like being offered a job in Geneva. He's French and I am British and we have three children (ages 7,6 and 4) who are already in school in Brittany so they are used to the French schooling system and language. It looks too expensive for us to live in Geneva but is there a good place to live in France that is within good commuting distance of Geneva and not too pricey? (Is this wishful thinking?!) I've heard Annecy is nice but we are used to a more rural life so if there are any nice villages/small towns it would be good to know about them. I would like to have a garden! Any advice you could give would be brilliant - thank you!!

Anjela 06.03.2012 17:21

Re: Working in Geneva, living in France - accomodation for a family
 
Hello, firstly you'll need to do a bit of research on here using the search function (several oldies will be along in a minute to tell you this, it's not me getting at you)!

Then; have you decided which side of the city you want to be, what type of schools you want your children to go to (private, state)?
I live on the southern side of the city, Saint Julien way. Loads of new builds around here, full of swiss who can't find accomadation in Geneva anymore so commuting can be a problem at peak times... same on the Ferney-Voltaire side I suspect.
Can't help with what schools are like as my children are grown-up. But I'm pretty sure there are people on here who live this side and are in a similar situation so they'll chip in soon.
Your husband's HR department should be able to suggest areas to house-hunt as well.

Good luck.. A

runningdeer 06.03.2012 23:25

Re: Working in Geneva, living in France - accomodation for a family
 
Yes, have a look at similar threads about living in France.

Having said that, it will take a bit of prioritising and compromising. A house with a decent garden close to geneva can be found, but it will likely be at/very near geneva prices. If you want rural and some space, moving out further is the likely the better option, but then you need to balance this with family life and the commute of your husband (if I understood correctly).

Living most anywhere in France will require a decent car commute, except perhaps Ferney. Depends a lot on what side of the river his work will be, and if he has standard hours or some flexible work hours. The commute at rush hour can be horrendous and seems to get worse all the time.

I would start with the side of the Geneve he will be working, decide the maximum commute time, and then start to look in a radius out that direction to France.

catandmouse 07.03.2012 12:24

Re: Working in Geneva, living in France - accomodation for a family
 
Would second the suggestion to live on the side where you work. Geneva has river flowing through the middle and not enough capacity on the bridges, so they are a permanent bottleneck.
My impression is that accommodation in the frontier area around Geneva is rapidly catching up to that on the Swiss side. It's a little cheaper, but you're going to lose out in terms of things such as no public transport, whilst the Swiss side is well equipped for example.

FloraG 08.03.2012 14:11

Re: Working in Geneva, living in France - accomodation for a family
 
Okay, thank you so much for your replies. I think I'm going to look at leboncoin.fr for housing.

FrankZappa 08.03.2012 23:46

Re: Working in Geneva, living in France - accomodation for a family
 
If you want a house with a garden at a decent price, forget "Pays de Gex" which is convenient, but full. I recently suggested Cruseilles, which is a two horse town, but quite typically french. Annecy, is Paris with a lake & mountains and prices to match. Schooling is fine, but commuting is long. PM me for more info.

Anjela 09.03.2012 00:47

Re: Working in Geneva, living in France - accomodation for a family
 
Getting in and out of Cruseilles can be a bit of a nightmare at rush hour, or so I'm told. Certainly there's a bottleneck at Saint Julien at peak times.

The price is to some extent going to depend on if you're renting or buying; but Frank Zappa's right, Geneva's full and the commutable surrounding areas aren't that far behind!

paysdoufs 12.03.2012 03:14

Re: Working in Geneva, living in France - accomodation for a family
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FloraG (Post 1505737)
My husband looks like being offered a job in Geneva. He's French and I am British and we have three children (ages 7,6 and 4) who are already in school in Brittany so they are used to the French schooling system and language. It looks too expensive for us to live in Geneva but is there a good place to live in France that is within good commuting distance of Geneva and not too pricey? (Is this wishful thinking?!) I've heard Annecy is nice but we are used to a more rural life so if there are any nice villages/small towns it would be good to know about them. I would like to have a garden! Any advice you could give would be brilliant - thank you!!

Given the recommendations already posted, you may also consider another possibility, i.e. NOT moving to Geneva - especially if you like your current life in Brittany (and have a house with garden there).

As a matter of fact, I have discussd with quite some newcomers who rapidly regretted their move because:
1 - What looks like a great salary can get rapidly eaten up by the cost of living (If you don't get 120'000 CH/yr for a family of 5, I personally wouldn't even consider moving...).
2 - The indigenous population is not always that... errh... welcoming.
3 - Infrastructure IS a nightmare. Basically, ALL the "grands axes" on the Saint Julien side are deadlocked at normal commuting hours, and it's worsening day by day. And that's when there's no snow fall...

Come over and try it out before taking a decision!!!

Just some food for thought :msnblush:

Mowvich 12.03.2012 09:08

Re: Working in Geneva, living in France - accomodation for a family
 
I know this is all about housing but also did you research on the taxation, unemployment benefits, etc....i know it's different for frontaliers and not as good as actually living in GVA

12.03.2012 11:38

Re: Working in Geneva, living in France - accomodation for a family
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paysdoufs (Post 1510509)
Given the recommendations already posted, you may also consider another possibility, i.e. NOT moving to Geneva - especially if you like your current life in Brittany (and have a house with garden there).

Agree completely with paysdoufs. Alternatively, try out other parts of Switzerland. Fribourg, Neuchatel... all great and still affordable.

belgo 14.03.2012 18:23

Re: Working in Geneva, living in France - accomodation for a family
 
We have 3 children as well and can highly recommend Messery or Nernier. Much nicer than the pays de Gex, close to the lake and very international. Half of the parents at the local school seem to be foreigners and mixed couples like us. It's needs to be doable in terms of the commute for the husband but if it is not too far on the opposite site you will be fine. I go on the scooter and it takes me 30 mins to Cornavin.
If you want to have more info pm me.
regards

Patrick

COURS ADO 16.03.2012 21:06

Re: Working in Geneva, living in France - accomodation for a family
 
Hello

I do agree with Belgo, I am swiss and decided to move to France with my daughter 15 years ago.
I leave in Douvaine which is about 30 min close to the city center and now because of the situation of the chf you can find exceptional housing for a good price.

All school boarding either private or public is available, quite nice village with cinemas, shopping centers, medical centers, public transportation, etc..

Do not hesitate to contact me as I might be able to help you out either renting or buying a house as i might have to rellocate for my job quite soon and I do have a 5 bed room house on 820 sqm land with pool and all facilities either to rent or sell

regards
Christine

Manley Hopkins 30.03.2012 15:19

Re: Working in Geneva, living in France - accomodation for a family
 
There's an association called the English Speaking Association of Haute Savoie, and they can give you some guidance. The website is www.esa-hs.com. I believe Annemasse is a decent sized town 20 minutes from Geneva, and is a popular choice for frontaliers. Another possibility is Thoiry (and there is a tram not far off going to Geneva). Not sure if you've yet discovered the website glocals.com, which is good for info on Geneva and surroundings

FloraG 30.03.2012 15:26

Re: Working in Geneva, living in France - accomodation for a family
 
Thank you Irish Lorraine!

613lululemon 05.04.2012 19:44

Re: Working in Geneva, living in France - accomodation for a family
 
This thread is super helpful! Thanks for all the replies!

We are in a similar situation, however we are taking over a lease in Geneva for three months whereupon it is IMPERATIVE we find something cheaper within that time. I realise the OPs kids are a bit older, but can anyone comment on the daycare/crèche sitatuion in the frontalier towns? In Canada, we have been inundated with books about how great the French preschool system is and how the kids are served mussels and steamed broccoli and discipline is very strict. Are there the daycares as expensive as in Geneva with equally insane wait-lists? Sorry to take this off topic!


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