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Lol. I see. Well I don't mind it hence why I was unsure. The only thing I don't like about this plant (I can't even pronounce it lol) is that it's gone a bit crazy! Maybe I can control it a bit. Anyway I pulled some up out the front garden yesterday not really knowing. But one to watch. What about this?
The low one with the spiky leaves is a kind of thistle and definitely a weed- very easy to pull out with the help of a knife at this stage- can become a real nuisance if left to grow bigger and allowed to seed- so out asap
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Re: How about a gardening thread?

Cold frame - our garden is very windy so I got 5 legs from the DIY shop & a board of wood cut to size. The wood isn't really thick enough so when it dies I shall get something thicker. I screwed the cold frame to the wood so it won't collapse in the wind.
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Re: How about a gardening thread?

There is a lot of snobbism and fads in gardening btw- and as said above, some people are obsessed with having plants nobody else has and plants which are totally unsuitable for their area. In Tuscany they want plants from the Rockies, and in the Alps they want to grow olive trees. To me, that no longer makes sense- I grow plants which are meant to be here, meant for our conditions and are happy here. Constantly going against nature makes not sense at all. And if a wild geranium is beautiful, why should I care that my neighbour has the same beautiful one in her garden? She does anyhow- because I gave her one of my plants- same with bits of all my other plants- and that is great.

I do blame the Great garden shows like Chelsea, Tatton and others- as people rush to buy the plants their saw there- without even wondering if they are suitable for their conditions, or will grow in harmony with their own plants.
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There is a lot of snobbism and fads in gardening btw- and as said above, some people are obsessed with having plants nobody else has and plants which are totally unsuitable for their area. In Tuscany they want plants from the Rockies, and in the Alps they want to grow olive trees. To me, that no longer makes sense- I grow plants which are meant to be here, meant for our conditions and are happy here. Constantly going against nature makes not sense at all. And if a wild geranium is beautiful, why should I care that my neighbour has the same beautiful one in her garden? She does anyhow- because I gave her one of my plants- same with bits of all my other plants- and that is great.

I do blame the Great garden shows like Chelsea, Tatton and others- as people rush to buy the plants their saw there- without even wondering if they are suitable for their conditions, or will grow in harmony with their own plants.
To a certain extent, perhaps. On the other hand, if there is something that you really want to try to grow, something that you'll use and enjoy (such as a poblano chili or a Meyer lemon ;-P) it's good to experiment and develop new techniques. I don't know if it's always a crime against nature to try to grow something new.

I'm grateful that there is a culture of home chili growers in Germany and the Netherlands - I've learned a lot.
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Re: How about a gardening thread?

Agreed- for a few special plants- especially greenhouse/balcony plants- but not as a 'philosophy' (lol) for a whole garden imho. Much better to go with native plants overall which are suited to local conditions- otherwise it all becomes a bit of a headache and a constant fight, and the use of very expensive equipment and products, etc. But, yes, each to their own- and I have changed my views over the years. For instance I tried again and again to grow the Martagon Lilies, I so loved in my childhood, in the UK- paying £20 per corm and failed several times and got all upset. When we came here, a very old cousin told me to go to his farm and get the corms out of his rockery before he sold the house- and of course they flowered the next year and are now multiplying. They were just not meant for my UK garden- but are so 'happy' here.

Gardening should be a joy, and not a constant fight (for me at least).
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Agreed- for a few special plants- especially greenhouse/balcony plants- but not as a 'philosophy' (lol) for a whole garden imho. Much better to go with native plants overall which are suited to local conditions- otherwise it all becomes a bit of a headache and a constant fight, and the use of very expensive equipment and products, etc.


Sigh. I'd rather not judge another person's gardening philosophy. As long as I can do what I wish, and it doesn't hurt anyone, I don't see where it's anyone else's business. Really.

But perhaps I'll keep the progress of my specialty plants to myself in future.
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Re: How about a gardening thread?

Oh dear- what shame, really. I agreed with you, totally about special plants, so why your sad reaction and sigh... (again )....

I am talking about a whole garden ... and I did say this was my view, and each to their own... so why? Why is my very own and personal opinion, which is actually becoming more and more prevalent with today's gardeners- is again perceived as a 'judgement'?

Back to the garden and all the lovely wildlife springing to life, and which is never better supported than by well adapted native plants.


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Re: How about a gardening thread?

Odile, we bought a house with a beautiful garden. Now if you could come, take a look at it and tell me how to take care of it!
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Re: How about a gardening thread?

Quick question - does anyone know how long Baldur Garten usually takes to deliver? Second time I have made an order with them, and it seems to take ages---- I have been waiting for almost a month for the delivery to arrive.
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Quick question - does anyone know how long Baldur Garten usually takes to deliver? Second time I have made an order with them, and it seems to take ages---- I have been waiting for almost a month for the delivery to arrive.
Sometimes it can take a month. I believe they send the plants when the conditions are right, and they are in stock, and often the intersection of that is 3-4 weeks. Have you called them to check?

I'm also waiting for an order, but it's only been a week.
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Sometimes it can take a month. I believe they send the plants when the conditions are right, and they are in stock, and often the intersection of that is 3-4 weeks. Have you called them to check?

I'm also waiting for an order, but it's only been a week.
Thanks - I have sent them a query. They sent me an email just before Easter to say that the order would arrive "in the days after Easter" but still no further news. Last time I just waited, but this time I am going away in a couple of weeks so would like them to arrive soonish.

Their service always seems pretty good, so will wait and see.
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Thanks - I have sent them a query. They sent me an email just before Easter to say that the order would arrive "in the days after Easter" but still no further news. Last time I just waited, but this time I am going away in a couple of weeks so would like them to arrive soonish.

Their service always seems pretty good, so will wait and see.
I think they sell a lot of youngish plants - that's why they are relatively inexpensive. They probably are somewhat dependent on the time it takes for plants to be ready to go.
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Re: How about a gardening thread?

Why not give them a ring to say you are going away, and not to deliver now until you get back. Must say, personally, that I just would not like to mail order plants, unless they are bulbs- I like to see what I get and have 'hands on'.
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Re: How about a gardening thread?

I agree with Odile about trying to have mostly indigenous plants in a garden, it makes life just so much more relaxing and enjoyable.
To watch as each takes its turn at "showing off".

And to attract wildlife.
We have a "hedge" of Comfrey that comes up every year and keeps the bees very busy. I see bees seem to only like indigenous flowers? Very fussy, they ignore the Forsythias. (I was told the Forsythia is a foreigner - true?)
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Re: How about a gardening thread?

Buddleja is on the banned list. It's too invasive. Takes up the space that local plants used to have.
I like to try out new things. Last year for instance I tried cucamelons which was quite amusing. The point of gardening is that you do what suits you. I think it's a reflection of your personality. There's something for everyone. Some prefer little ready made soldiers all in a row bought from garden centers either for speed or lack of time; some prefer to grow from seed wherever possible & take cuttings. Some like big expanses of lawn, others like to grow veg.
If we all did the same it would be very boring.
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We have a "hedge" of Comfrey that comes up every year and keeps the bees very busy. I see bees seem to only like indigenous flowers? Very fussy, they ignore the Forsythias. (I was told the Forsythia is a foreigner - true?)
Yes indeed. A quick look at wikipedia - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forsythia

Forsythia mostly come from Asia, are among the first plants brought to Europe. One type is native to the balkans. Most are hybrids, i think. very common in the US, too.

Edited to add - your comment about foreign plants made me think a little.... Foreigners with foreign plants. But how far do you want to take the indigenous thing? For example, tomatoes came from the Americas.

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Oh I agree, this 'native plants' only does go too far sometimes. Which is why a previous post that it is ok for a few plants. But with care- as some of them will spread really fast and totally take over local flora. Things like the very pretty Himalayan Balsam, which is now suffocating lots of rivers and causing real problems with fish breeding grounds,etc. Growing a few rare plants from back home on a balcony or green house, or near the house where wou can ensure seed heads are cut and burnt- etc- is very exciting.

My previous comments re native plants was in response to the question ' when is a plant a weed' - and that that changes from place to place. We visited the Huntington Library botanical garden near LA a few years back- and as I was in awe of their desert plants, they were telling me their dream was to be able to grow alpine plants. And then we were lucky to go to Kaui and Maui, and as we were admiring the wild ginger plants and flowers that grow everywhere- they all said they hated the stuff! And on our first visit to Spain (we never had a chance to travel until our daughters left Uni...) we were admiring the amazing bright purple blue ipomeas and orange and pink bougainvilla- and the locals said they were awful- and they would love to grow the white equivalent of morning glory we have in the UK- which is one of the most hated weeds by UK gardeners. And it does make you think.... we so often want what we can't easily get. Normal- but as I get older I am thinking more and more it doesn't always make sense, and certainly not for a whole garden. More and more 'celebrity' gardeners are coming round to this way of thinking too, I am glad to say. One of our local guys I met many a time at his garden, was Geoff Hamilton, and he certainly had changed his way of thinking over his lifetime (sadly missed, but his son and dil have taken over and doing a great job- Barnsdale Gardens, near Oakham, Rutland Water).

One of the things I so loved in the UK was the wonderful wild bluebell woods- but they are threatened as so many Spanish bluebells have been imported into garden centres- and they are now hybridising with native uk bluebells- and changing the whole nature of those woods.

Having a few lovely plants from back home or elsewhere is indeed exciting and can be a source of real pride, but make sure you keep them under control so they do not escape and cause havoc to local nature.

Comfrey is a brilliant plant- good for bees- edible (you can make great fritters with goats cheese or other fillings, dip in egg and breadcrumbs and fry) and is a fabulous compost activator.

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There is a lot of snobbism and fads in gardening btw- and as said above, some people are obsessed with having plants nobody else has and plants which are totally unsuitable for their area. In Tuscany they want plants from the Rockies, and in the Alps they want to grow olive trees. To me, that no longer makes sense- I grow plants which are meant to be here, meant for our conditions and are happy here. Constantly going against nature makes not sense at all. And if a wild geranium is beautiful, why should I care that my neighbour has the same beautiful one in her garden? She does anyhow- because I gave her one of my plants- same with bits of all my other plants- and that is great.

I do blame the Great garden shows like Chelsea, Tatton and others- as people rush to buy the plants their saw there- without even wondering if they are suitable for their conditions, or will grow in harmony with their own plants.
I respectfully disagree.

I see a challenge if not a sport in getting things to grow that the experts say won't work. I have several species of succulents and cactii which according to the books don't flower in our latitudes. I have brought them to flower, some of them regularly. This is not about a me too thing (I don't buy stuff just because I see it at a flower show) but because I study and observe and so enhance the well being of the plant.
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To a certain extent, perhaps. On the other hand, if there is something that you really want to try to grow, something that you'll use and enjoy (such as a poblano chili or a Meyer lemon ;-P) it's good to experiment and develop new techniques. I don't know if it's always a crime against nature to try to grow something new.

I'm grateful that there is a culture of home chili growers in Germany and the Netherlands - I've learned a lot.
Citrus growing was a big thing back in the Renaissance period. Consider the orangeries of various stately homes for example. This is what permitted the rich and famous of the day to have fresh oranges, lemons and tangerines on their table. It wasn't really until the early 20th Century that it became cheaper to import them that the fashion died out and people somehow assumed that because these fruit didn't grow here they couldn't grow here. The last two decades or so have seen a bit of a revival, but more as a hobby thing. But this doesn't mean it hasn't done before. There are even breeds that can stay outdoors all winter if in a sheltered location.
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Oh I agree, this 'native plants' only does go too far sometimes. Which is why a previous post that it is ok for a few plants. But with care-
Of course, and the threat that rhododendrons cause in the wild in the UK is well known. Similarly I have heard of certain strands of bamboo going wild. All this is terribly destructive for local habitats and can probably be controlled at best but never fully reversed.
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