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Re: How about a gardening thread?

Heavy rain expected over the weekend into next week so make sure plants are protected from waterlogging.

http://www.thelocal.ch/20160526/bern...-rain-forecast
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Re: How about a gardening thread?

Somewhere, I thought, was a thread where someone was asking about where to purchase herbs.


Just wanted to mention that I was in the Landi today - my local Landi is in Neftenbach, near Winterthur - and they had lovely herbs of all kinds, even Thai Basil, which I've not seen there before. Also lots of salad, tomatoes and peppers. Definitely worth a look.
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Somewhere, I thought, was a thread where someone was asking about where to purchase herbs.


Just wanted to mention that I was in the Landi today - my local Landi is in Neftenbach, near Winterthur - and they had lovely herbs of all kinds, even Thai Basil, which I've not seen there before. Also lots of salad, tomatoes and peppers. Definitely worth a look.


Landi, Jumbo, Hornbach, COOP BAU & HOBBY , Migros DO IT, all the bigger chains have got a gardening section. I buy all my herbs, veges, berriers for my balcony allotment there. And so far they always grew very well and yielded a good harvest, some of my herbs from those shops are 10 and more years old
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Re: How about a gardening thread?

I planted new zucchini plants yesterday.

In a raised bed.

Which is lined with copper flashing.

A trap of Feramol along the border

Lines of anti-slug sand the next line of defense.

A ring of copper circling each plant.


I came out this morning to find every single plant eaten down to the nub.

While a horde of very fat 6 inch slugs just sauntered away, laughing.


This. Means. War.
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I planted new zucchini plants yesterday.

In a raised bed.

Which is lined with copper flashing.

A trap of Feramol along the border

Lines of anti-slug sand the next line of defense.

A ring of copper circling each plant.


I came out this morning to find every single plant eaten down to the nub.

While a horde of very fat 6 inch slugs just sauntered away, laughing.


This. Means. War.

You know you can buy zucchinis already grown, right? They're a LOT less expensive than home grown, at least the way you're going about it.
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You know you can buy zucchinis already grown, right? They're a LOT less expensive than home grown, at least the way you're going about it.
Oooo, don't even go there.

For a gardener, 'der Weg ist das Ziel'.

Here on the Dark Side, though, it's a particularly long and winding road.


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Oooo, don't even go there.

For a gardener, 'der Weg ist das Ziel'.

Here on the Dark Side, though, it's a particularly long and winding road.


Cursed slugs.


Surprised the copper didn't work. Is it new?


They also don't like Lavender, Sage, and Thyme.


They do like Beer.
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You know you can buy zucchinis already grown, right? They're a LOT less expensive than home grown, at least the way you're going about it.
Yeah but they're a spectacular plant to grow. I use about half a dozen zucchinis a week, so a steady crop through July and August always gets used up. Still had a crop in early October last year.

I planted out 8 seedlings three weeks ago, in 4 16 inch wide pots. Been back in the UK for 2 weeks and have returned to monster plants with the flower buds beginning to come through.

I've got the pots sitting on a bed of sharp gravel, but it still doesn't stop the most determined slugs. They've had about 10% of the leaves but the plants are thriving. Funnily, I didn't have the same problem when I grew the Black Beauty variety last year. They were more affected by black fly from the wild roses across the road.

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My plants both here, and last year in the UK, are next to lavender beds, so I can vouch for that not working too well.
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Re: How about a gardening thread?

Hi all, Haven't been on here in a while about the garden. It got neglected with the arrival of my little lady no.3!
First meloncollie, i made a raised bed with metal sheets last year. They weren't too expensive, i bought them in jumbo. You should try them. I did get some slugs this year, but seeing as the garden is crawling with them, the bed is pretty good! Plus i bashed off one with the lawnmower, coz i'm just clumsy like that, and there is a small gap which i never fixed, so my bad on the few slugs that attacked my celery.

So just a few questions.. I bought some celery at coop, chopped off the top and grew roots from the end of the stalk on a saucer of water. I planted this and a lovely new celery plant grew and i was pretty happy I also took some sprouting spuds that were over and planted them and have 2 plants about 10cm tall now and 2 onions from the kitchen which are now in the process of beginning to flower.. However someone said to me that i shouldn't plant these, that i need to buy proper bulbs and grow clelery from seed or it doesn't taste good and is bad for your tummy and now i am afraid to eat the stuff.. Any info on that?

Also when do i harvest onions and potatoes that i planted in may?.. that is if the answer to the question above is, that they are edible!!

And last thing.. i planted rocket salad last summer and early may the plant really came back and we were enjoying that til it started to flower. Is it right that you can't eat rocket salad if it flowers? Do i need to dig it up and start again? Or can i cut it back to the ground at some point and let it re grow?
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First meloncollie, i made a raised bed with metal sheets last year. They weren't too expensive, i bought them in jumbo. You should try them.
Unfortunately even a raised bed is no deterent to these monsters. The aforesaid zucchini were indeed planted in a copper-lined raised bed. The slimy monsters just laugh at my efforts, and continue on their march of destruction.

I killed 434 of the beasts this morning. And there are thousands, nay, likely millions more on the march.

Did I mention that I hate slugs?



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And last thing.. i planted rocket salad last summer and early may the plant really came back and we were enjoying that til it started to flower. Is it right that you can't eat rocket salad if it flowers? Do i need to dig it up and start again? Or can i cut it back to the ground at some point and let it re grow?
A matter of personal taste, but we eat the flowers, and we eat the 'spicier' leaves after flowering.

The flowers make a nice garnish.

I use the older, more peppery leaves in place of spinach - that is, cooked. Wonderful in a tomato soup, in a frittata, in a gratin, as a filling for stuffed mushrooms, as a pasta sauce - or simply sautéed with a little garlic and spring onion. Generally I add the rocket at the very end, only cook it a very short time.

But it really is a matter of taste.
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Old 14.06.2016, 09:05
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Copper lined? As in Copper on the inside, as opposed to a stretch of copper that the slugs would have to slither across?
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Copper lined? As in Copper on the inside, as opposed to a stretch of copper that the slugs would have to slither across?
A stretch of angled copper - a flange? - around the edge of the bed, like a frame. The slugs have to climb up, somehow somersault over the angled part, and slither across.

And they do.
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Surprised the copper didn't work. Is it new?
Forgot this bit...

Yes, the copper is new this year. However - perhaps given the incessant rain - it has already developed a patina.

Does that make a difference?
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Forgot this bit...

Yes, the copper is new this year. However - perhaps given the incessant rain - it has already developed a patina.

Does that make a difference?

It might, it depends on what oils are left on the surface. Try giving it a light scrub with soap and water, making a continuous band around the periphery, then swab that stretch with a mixture of Salt and Vinegar.


The soap will remove any oil, the Salt and Vinegar will clean that stretch back to elemental copper. This will again form a patina, but it will take a while and depending on the composition of the soil and the copper alloy will either be more or less distasteful to the slugs. (IIRC Copper Oxide (Brown/Black) doesn't bother them much, but Copper Sulphate (Blue/Green) does.)
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I killed 434 of the beasts this morning. And there are thousands, nay, likely millions more on the march.

My father-in-law here usually provides us with a weekly supply of fresh salad but he hasn't bothered even planting any in the last couple of months because of the abundance of slugs.

It's a battle you're going to lose!
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Oh my meloncollie, I feel your pain.

I have my "allotment" on the balcony, and here on 2nd floor at least I am safe (toucheswood) from slugs. The constant rain is the bigger problem, cos despite drainage holes in the pots, the plants will possibly soon grow fins and scales as well.....

At my Boyfriend's garden we had that slug problem too. We built the raised beds last year out of old train pallet frames, BF nailed 10cm wide boards on top as a external rim, so the slugs would have to overcome a 90degree angle and slide 10cm underneath upside down those boards before even getting up to the beds. So far, this year, we are safe from them.

Tho' they've munched all the little Tagetes I planted in the low flower beds there

Cruel I know, but the best trap is still the beer trap, at least they die tipsy. I used this trap, when i was using the downstairs plot for my vegetable growing.
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However someone said to me that i shouldn't plant these, that i need to buy proper bulbs and grow clelery from seed or it doesn't taste good and is bad for your tummy and now i am afraid to eat the stuff.. Any info on that?
I only ever heard that thing, about the cucurbitae family, e.g. zuccchini, cucumbers and the like, apparently they can 'cross breed' and the kernels you then harvest from the vegetable may have a toxin in them, which makes the new plant taste bitter and actually dangerous for consumption.

But i never heard anything like that about celery, and I am gardening now for about 30years.....

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They will be edible, i have done the same many times myself. You can harvest them as soon as the greens above ground wilt and start to dry out , then is the best time for harvesting.

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Rocket plants, only form the leafy rosettes in their first year, so it may be better to re-sow some. Or then try, you might get lucky, to cut it severely back and it may re-grow.
Anyway, with all things like that, they are best BEFORE they flower.

Afterwards the plant is tired and won't have as much flavour or be as good to eat. This is also especially valid for all kind of herbs.
With my herb plants, I just regularly clip off the top, as soon as buds start to form, to be abel to harvest a little longer.
Did you know that of all the kitchen herbs, the flowers are also edible? So even when it has flowered, you may use the buds as decoration on a salad for example.


oh, and many many congratulations upon the new arrival
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Re: How about a gardening thread?

Just tending to a friend's roses today (she missed doing a spring trim so they are like wire wool).


Given how much the plants have suffered from too much water and the blooms rotting as soon as they are even close to opening, I am surprised that there are zero Aphids. (One plant out of 10, and even that only a couple on one branch.)


Anyone else have the same experience? Has the rain just drowned all the ants?
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Anyone else have the same experience? Has the rain just drowned all the ants?
I've noticed fewer aphids than usual this year. I assumed that was because they might not be attracted to leaves infected with black spot. But probably you are right, likely there has been too much rain even for them.

My roses against the house, which are protected from the worst of the rain, are actually doing not too bad. If we had a day or two of sun the buds just might open.

The roses that take the full brunt of the rain are a mess. The buds rot before opening, and I'm losing the battle against black spot. I'm contemplating cutting them down to 10cm, just as I would end of season, with the hopes of starting over.

Either that, or ripping them out. The roses are glorious in a good year, but awful in a wet sunless one. Unfortunately wet sunless years have become the norm here in Ausserschwyz. Given how small my garden is, I need to get ruthless and rip out anything that cannot withstand our 'new normal'.
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The roses that take the full brunt of the rain are a mess. The buds rot before opening, and I'm losing the battle against black spot. I'm contemplating cutting them down to 10cm, just as I would end of season, with the hopes of starting over.

Either that, or ripping them out. The roses are glorious in a good year, but awful in a wet sunless one. Unfortunately wet sunless years have become the norm here in Ausserschwyz. Given how small my garden is, I need to get ruthless and rip out anything that cannot withstand our 'new normal'.


Given the weather and how "ineinandergewachsen" these here are there is surprisingly little black spot. These were all planted last fall, in fresh earth and since then ignored. Some of the plants are a bit anemic, but for the most part the green growth is both vigorous and healthy. The garden doesn't even get full sun for a normal period (shadow from another apt).


If yours are established, and the location and soil are otherwise suitable try a dose of Iron Permanganate (eg Gesal Pflanzentonic). This is my goto cure whenever I suspect that a plant has problems maintaing it's chlorophyl household.
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