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Old 21.12.2012, 00:58
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Re: What do you think about alarm systems?

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Hello to you all. We have been confirmed as tenants in a medium sized house in the Bellevue, Geneva area, the landlord threw a late bombshell at us regarding the alarm system.
He is to cancel the contract unless we maintain the system by choosing one of two options

1) Alarm system maintenance 306.70 per annum (Transalarme).
2) Security monitoring services 1’355.75 per annum (Protectas), including 5 interventions to the house by a two men security team in case of alarm; 150 CHF per intervention above the 5 interventions included in the contract

The previous postings in this thread have been helpful but given the options that we have, I would be interested to get any views, especially on the perceived need and costs involved.
Thanks in advance

I would be tempted to suggest you clarify with your landlord what happens to 'his' system once you leave. If he's cancelled the contract then in theory it would be expensive for him to re-establish it on the same terms.
Also, what was the arrangement with the previous tenants? Did they pay chf 1,355 per annum for the full service?
Does the cheaper option include at least SMS alerts to your mobile and an audible and flashing alarm?

Geneva is a very bad place at the moment for burglaries, there are several gangs of young girls 'working' the whole area.
So although it seems a lot of money, I would be inclined to advice that you pay for the full alarm system, although I'd try to negotiate sharing the cost with your landlord, and try to get a reduction in the premium for your household insurance as you've got a centre based alarm system.
After all, chf 1,355 is less than the cost of a decent lap-top.
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Re: What do you think about alarm systems?

I dont mean to pry too much .. but why would you need one in the first place ?
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Re: What do you think about alarm systems?

Aha.. i guess i was to quick there.. sorry, its obvious why.
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, I would be inclined to advice that you pay for the full alarm system, although I'd try to negotiate sharing the cost with your landlord, and try to get a reduction in the premium for your household insurance as you've got a centre based alarm system.
After all, chf 1,355 is less than the cost of a decent lap-top.
Unlikely insurer will decrease premiums for this as they dont reduce likelihood for a single home and insuranc epremiums are based on location and history.

Home alarms are like car alarms most people ignore them
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I would be tempted to suggest you clarify with your landlord what happens to 'his' system once you leave. If he's cancelled the contract then in theory it would be expensive for him to re-establish it on the same terms.
Also, what was the arrangement with the previous tenants? Did they pay chf 1,355 per annum for the full service?
Does the cheaper option include at least SMS alerts to your mobile and an audible and flashing alarm?

Geneva is a very bad place at the moment for burglaries, there are several gangs of young girls 'working' the whole area.
So although it seems a lot of money, I would be inclined to advice that you pay for the full alarm system, although I'd try to negotiate sharing the cost with your landlord, and try to get a reduction in the premium for your household insurance as you've got a centre based alarm system.
After all, chf 1,355 is less than the cost of a decent lap-top.

Surely, insurance will be less than the combined sum? Or does the poster have millions worth in stuff lying around? A collection of solid-gold coins? Jewellery? Antique carpets? A HiFi-system worth 39 grand? Or just a six-figure sum in cash?
As they don't own the place, they can move out easily if they no longer feel save after a break-in.

Try to get the employer to pay for it, though.
If enough people did this, politics would listen up in no time - especially in Geneva.
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Re: What do you think about alarm systems?

We're considering getting a monitored alarm system fitted in our house. I appreciate the comments about the insurance covering any losses, but having been burgled a couple of times in the UK it gives a degree of peace of mind while away, or at night when we're sleeping.

Furthermore, whilst most items stolen can be replaced (except for any sentimental items), a monitored alarm may stop the place being trashed too, which will be heartbreaking. We live in a single, detached house, so it may be more of an easy target than an apartment. Finally, as heartless as it may seem, if it means they go to an unprotected house elsewhere rather than ours.....

We have so far received quotes from two companies - GPA and Dialarme/Protectas. Has anyone had any particularly good or bad experiences with either of these?
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Re: What do you think about alarm systems?

Well we just had Dialarme round last night giving us the "double-glazing salesman" style pitch. Thanks to finding this thread just now my "this-seems-a-bit-steep-and-I-don't-like-being-pushed-to-sign-something-without-having-time-to-investigate-the-options-first" feeling has been confirmed and I called to say gracefully decline their exceptional offer this morning.

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Re: What do you think about alarm systems?

If I was your neighbour I would say by all means fit an alarm with a remote control center, but leave the bl***y bell disconnected!

I buy my stuff second hand, I also save on unecessary insurance policies.
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Old 26.09.2013, 10:24
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Re: What do you think about alarm systems?

My place has all dialarm stuff installed .. Previous owners used it and paid the monthly monitoring fees etc but we didn't take it over. We have stickers on the windows and door and even the mailbox. Part of me wants to get the monitoring set up again..Only because I'd kick myself if soemthing happened.
But we have steel shutters and a front door like a bank vault.. And we live in a little village where most people leave their doors open. Neighbour went on holiday for three weeks and forgot to shut the balcony door, literally left open, not just unlocked.

If it was 50 or less i'd do it .. it's just the principle of 150 or whatever it is.
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Re: What do you think about alarm systems?

Hello,

Any experience with Prodis or with Protectas or with Genix?

Which has got the best system?

OK it mainly depends if they are close or not to your house, but apart from that, any particular suggestions for any of these???
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Thanks guys i happen to agree with you. Im going to time myself searching the flat today. OH thinks a burglar will be searching the flat until he finds something. I think that if he doesnt find something then he will leave as soon as possible. And anyway my laptop and OHs mac are extremely visible. 30 seconds max to take both and i would call it a pretty good result!

So we have been burgled around new year eve, and we are still away on holidays . It sucks to get a new year message from the police and just a warning to those who think CH/ ZH is safe. They broke the shutter, entered through the window , and took away a very heavy safe (unfortunately we had not fixed it in the wall) . Electronics they did not bother to touch.

so nothing is safe, wish I had made arangements like we do in "unsafe" countries.
Thanks gata for this thread!
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So we have been burgled around new year eve, and we are still away on holidays . It sucks to get a new year message from the police and just a warning to those who think CH/ ZH is safe. They broke the shutter, entered through the window , and took away a very heavy safe (unfortunately we had not fixed it in the wall) . Electronics they did not bother to touch.

so nothing is safe, wish I had made arangements like we do in "unsafe" countries.
Thanks gata for this thread!
Interesting. How much did it weigh (out of curiosity)?
I wonder what damage they would have done if the safe had indeed been fixed to the wall...
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Re: What do you think about alarm systems?

Approx around 8 to 10 Kilograms, heavy enough to carry away again via the window.
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Approx around 8 to 10 Kilograms, heavy enough to carry away again via the window.
Thats a very light 'toy' safe, a heavy one weighs 1,000 KG
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Thats a very light 'toy' safe, a heavy one weighs 1,000 KG
ok then, lesson learnt !
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Thats a very light 'toy' safe, a heavy one weighs 1,000 KG
Indeed.
Though it's not unheard of that thieves steal safes that weigh several hundred kilograms.
Though maybe not on a random "opportunity"-break-in.

The collateral damages that occurs once such a heavy safe is stolen is not to be underestimated.

http://www.southcoastregister.com.au...ctural-damage/

Obviously, this is of little consideration to the thieves....
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Thats a very light 'toy' safe, a heavy one weighs 1,000 KG
But seriously, do people install such huge safe for domestic purposes ? . When we bought ours, OH was of the opinion this is too heavy and is pretty useless, in Switzerland
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But seriously, do people install such huge safe for domestic purposes ? . When we bought ours, OH was of the opinion this is too heavy and is pretty useless, in Switzerland

Well, it did turn out to be useless, after all...
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AFAIK, the safe-business is pretty healthy in Switzerland.
Probably because too many people work in banks and know too much about what goes on inside them ;-)

The better ones also protect against fire etc.

But they are really meant to buy you time and stall the thief (or the fire) until the police arrives.
The more money you invest, the longer that time will turn out to be (or should).

There is, of course, the trade-off that at some point, if the thieves really want what is inside the safe, they will just assault you when you return home and you get a gun pointed to your head while hubby opens the safe...

To revisit this topic further:

By chance, I stumbled upon a price-list (from SHKB) for their safety deposit boxes:
http://www.shkb.ch/assets/div_downlo...hgebuehren.pdf

Other banks probably have similar prices.
If you have valuables left, that might be an option...
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But seriously, do people install such huge safe for domestic purposes ? . When we bought ours, OH was of the opinion this is too heavy and is pretty useless, in Switzerland
Some people do. A safe however heavy & secure will only buy you time, in the end the lock & combination can be picked if someone really wants to open it.
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Well, it did turn out to be useless, after all...
;-)
AFAIK, the safe-business is pretty healthy in Switzerland.
Probably because too many people work in banks and know too much about what goes on inside them ;-)

The better ones also protect against fire etc.

But they are really meant to buy you time and stall the thief (or the fire) until the police arrives.
The more money you invest, the longer that time will turn out to be (or should).

There is, of course, the trade-off that at some point, if the thieves really want what is inside the safe, they will just assault you when you return home and you get a gun pointed to your head while hubby opens the safe...

To revisit this topic further:

By chance, I stumbled upon a price-list (from SHKB) for their safety deposit boxes:
http://www.shkb.ch/assets/div_downlo...hgebuehren.pdf

Other banks probably have similar prices.
If you have valuables left, that might be an option...
Q) How do you take out a safe "safely" from a house?
A) Show up with some kind of "professional" looking van, ring the bell of some neighbor, trundle up the stairs carrying your big repairman kit (B&D electric drills and hammers, etc in nice evidence). Don't make too much of a fuss when opening the door (most locks can be hacked quite easily, I discovered ).
Then bang away - loudly and professionally! - and get lost with the bounty.

It won't work if there is a friendly neighbor who won't buy into whatever repairman bullshit spiel the burglar tries to play.

Which reminds us that good neighbors are a precious asset. I am in the mkt for an alarm system precisely because one of my neighbors had his eyes open and alerted the police when he saw someone odd prowling in the vicinity of our buildings.

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