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Old 27.11.2007, 19:00
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Predators are opportunists, so think like a thief - which, given the honour system in society here, is great fun sometimes!

But hey, the statistics say it isn't going to happen very often, so "don't have nightmares..."
Very true, I'd start by standing outside your house/flat and think how would I get in. Ask your friends to think about it, sometimes you miss the obvious.

The answers are often staring you in the face, strengthen door locks, place locks on windows so if they do break in they are likely to injure themselves in the process by breaking glass, which is a DNA hit in the UK. If you lean against a door and it moves get it strengthened, usually one kick will open it.

Lock garden gates and tool sheds (often a source of material to break in with) Look around you're garden/outside for anything you could use to break in and remove it.

If you go away lock all the internal doors, just make their life as difficult as possible.

Get lights on timers which alternate like you would if you are in the house, i.e downstairs 5pm -10pm, bedroom 10-12pm etc etc.

Give a neighbour your car keys and ask them to move the car once a day, turn it round etc, you could ask them to water the plants, but it's also good as they are watching over the house.

If a small child can make it through a window then so can a person with effort.

Another one is never leave a ladder in the garden unlocked. (Always chain it to something)

Clear over grown gardens (these guys do not like to be seen) so those with massive confiers in the UK are doing yourselves no favours.

The key comment is critical NEVER leave keys lying around in view preferably lock them in a drawer or hide them behind something.

Some fool I saw years ago had a address tag on their keys.
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Old 28.11.2007, 01:02
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Re: [Lessons learned] Burglary - how and what?

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Many good hints were already mentioned, but this:
can't have been a serious advice from the policemen! In fact the police recommends to lock precious things and money away.
Leaving some cash outside is not a bad idea as I heard it first hand from a cop. Reason is that some burglars like to get out asap.
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Old 28.11.2007, 11:05
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It's worth the 70 fr/year IMHO to hire a small bank deposit box for valuables, origional documents (marrriage/divorce & birth certificates, passport copies, insurance policies, ect) and spare cash.
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Leaving some cash outside is not a bad idea as I heard it first hand from a cop. Reason is that some burglars like to get out asap.
I see the logic behind this but in my opinion it isn't the logic of the majority of burglars out here. I say make it as difficult as possible for them to steal from you. Really I have trouble to believe that a cop gave you guys this advice as it is the opposite of all tips that are publicly available from police organisations.
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Re: [Lessons learned] Burglary - how and what?

Maybe I should have been more precise. The advice was to leave something like CHF 50 - not stacks of money. And the advice was not to leave it lying around but to put it somewhere easy to find so that the burglar would assume he had found your little home cash deposit and would not rip out everything looking for cash. And, yes, it was a cop who said that (in Germany, though).

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In Switzerland of course , the "little home cash deposit" must be of the order of 5000CHF to appear realistic...

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Maybe I should have been more precise. The advice was to leave something like CHF 50 - not stacks of money. And the advice was not to leave it lying around but to put it somewhere easy to find so that the burglar would assume he had found your little home cash deposit and would not rip out everything looking for cash. And, yes, it was a cop who said that (in Germany, though).

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Old 28.11.2007, 21:14
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Obviously I come from a poor country...
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Old 28.11.2007, 21:45
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I see the logic behind this but in my opinion it isn't the logic of the majority of burglars out here. I say make it as difficult as possible for them to steal from you. Really I have trouble to believe that a cop gave you guys this advice as it is the opposite of all tips that are publicly available from police organisations.
Nathu there was a docu on one of the German channels and they said something similar. Some person's house was all trashed because the burglars were looking everywhere for the $$$. Leaving CHF 100 ain't gonna do any harm. In the end it depends on the kind of burglar that breaks in. A small timer will grab the CHF100 and leg it. A big timer will wipe his backside with the CHF100 note and start digging properly.

Also I did not mean that the money should be left near the window to attract a thief but once the burglar breaks in then cash should be clearly visible.

I remember watching another docu in UK and the owners had hidden cameras installed. The teenagers broke in and used the owner's toothbrush to wipe their....

Moral of the story- Buy a new toothbrush after you get burgled.
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Dave, this sentence has kind of made me worried. What do you mean by 'strange ringing of the buzzer'. Coz 2 days ago, in the middle of the night, about 2:30 am or so, the house buzzer went off for a few seconds - probably 3-4 seconds, but enough to wake me and my husband. I got really worried, we checked if it was some sort of an alarm that the kitchen did not have the hot plate/oven etc left on, we checked for the doors etc. But didnt check with anyone if that is a cause for concern. It was definitely not our door bell, we havent heard that buzzer make that sort of noise before.

huh....Is the answer so obvious?
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Re: [Lessons learned] Burglary - how and what?

this thread worries me a little, as we prepare to move from a country with a high perceived crime rate (UK) to a low perceived crime rate (CH) - are there any areas that are particularly prone to this problem? I am a little worried now...

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this thread worries me a little, as we prepare to move from a country with a high perceived crime rate (UK) to a low perceived crime rate (CH) - are there any areas that are particularly prone to this problem? I am a little worried now...

Statistically, I'd say it's not a problem but it is something to be aware of and protect yourself against. Do remember that we might not be a true representative of how things are.

For perspective - I've been here 13 years and know ONE person who has been burgled in that time.
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Re: [Lessons learned] Burglary - how and what?

I was burgled once, years ago, before I moved to Bern. I have to admit it was my fault, I went out for the day and left a window open. I lived on the ground floor. Didn't lose much, only a few cds and strangely enough, a photograph of my mother, but I suppose it was the frame and not the contents, though there is no accounting for taste.
Where I live now, we have a neighbourhood watch system which works really well. If someone notices something odd, they send an sms which then gets passed on so everyone knows to keep their eyes open. There was a burglary recently but the guy was caught, thanks to vigilant neighbours.
I can really recommend having an automatic lock on the front house door -as soon as the door shuts, no-one gets in without a key. And double locking your flat door is useful too.
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Old 04.12.2007, 23:25
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If you're from Bern and your house has been broken into.

Do give this little shop which is located directly opposite COOP in Breitenrein a visit. You MIGHT find your precious treasures being sold there.

I found my equipment there which I sold to a friend who has yet to pay me the remainder of CHF 300.- for the said equipment. That ex-friend is currently M-I-A.
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Old 05.12.2007, 11:28
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Hi Lord Monkey

I know the place! It also operates as a pawn shop. The guy sells all sorts of weird bits of equipment. I sadly admit I bought a set of speakers from there, at the time it didn't occur to me they could be stolen, shame on me.
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If you're from Bern and your house has been broken into.

Do give this little shop which is located directly opposite COOP in Breitenrein a visit. You MIGHT find your precious treasures being sold there.

I found my equipment there which I sold to a friend who has yet to pay me the remainder of CHF 300.- for the said equipment. That ex-friend is currently M-I-A.
This is a solid reason to make a record of serial numbers of equipment you have, and include relevant ones when reporting a burglary to the police.
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Re: [Lessons learned] Burglary - how and what?

We had our detached house broken into in Riehen. It had top of the line safety doors but they managed to break in through a tiny window above the door. There wasn't much they might want to steal so they took my computer (which I had not backed up.) They might as well have taken one of my children. I was devastated. I always kicked myself for not having my files backed up on a hard drive. But after reading these posts, I see that they would have just taken the hard drive as well, since who ever thinks to put their hard drive somewhere else? And who would go so far as to put jewelry in the fireplace ashes? I mean, then why even have it? Afterwards we put up motion sensor lights in on the porches. But I felt totally ravaged and terrorized in my own home.

I had a similar reaction when my apartment was broken into twice shortly after I moved to Jerusalem. The first time they took all the jewelry I had ever inherited from my grandmothers. Then they came back three weeks later for the electronics. They left the place trashed. I am always amazed how they can manage to get away with these burglaries in densely populated neighborhoods. I wish there were a way to automatically trace things like computers and other goods that disappear from one's possession.
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Re: [Lessons learned] Burglary - how and what?

Now the days and nights are getting warmer we should be extra careful. A warning appeared today in the 20 Minutes newspaper http://www.20min.ch/news/mittelland/...n-auf-14036637

It would seem now the burglars favourite tool is the drill, trying to unscrew the window lock screws from outside the window frame using a drill.

But vigilance and locking the doors is still a big deterrent.
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Now the days and nights are getting warmer we should be extra careful. A warning appeared today in the 20 Minutes newspaper http://www.20min.ch/news/mittelland/...n-auf-14036637

It would seem now the burglars favourite tool is the drill, trying to unscrew the window lock screws from outside the window frame using a drill.

But vigilance and locking the doors is still a big deterrent.
from what I have heard, they drill through the wood and use a slim pointed object to operate the lever.....door opens, things disappear, all very quietly.

also from now on, the windows cracked open, especially on the ground floor, mean burglars make it a family occasion - they push their 4-year-old career criminal through the gap and they operate the level.

Great, huh?

My dog loves it.
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Re: [Lessons learned] Burglary - how and what?

Even with windows closed and the newest, best locked doors, they can get in. Ours (many years ago) managed to get the small window over the patio doors open to let in someone small. They went for money, credit cards and computer. My advice, leave them some easy-to-find stuff that looks valuable but isn't and hide the important stuff well. You can't keep them out if they want in.
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