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That is just personal view. There are many skyscraper fans. I am not talking about whether it is beautiful or not. It is just the housing situation is getting worse here. So why higher buildings are not a solution? In old times, landlords in Geneva built an extra floor to accommdate flood of immigrants. Why not in modernt time
It's just as important that it is beautiful or not. Anyway, the people have decided they don't want buildings over a certain height.

Making taller uglier buildings doesn't necessarily solve the problem. Look at NYC. There are plenty of tall buildings and you still can't get decent housing without either paying a fortune or moving further out.
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Hmmmmm.....
Perhaps, but it's hard to tell with all the smog!

(can't see the mountains)

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Re: why there is no skyscrapers in Switzerland

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I am not using this to support my argument. I am saying skyscrapers are not ugly to many people. AND this is not my focus here. Even it is ugly, it is still a solution to the housing crisis
How is it a solution?

There are houses available in Annemasse and surrounding area in Geneva.
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Even it is ugly, it is still a solution to the housing crisis
So cities with skyscrapers don't have a housing crisis? Ever been to New York or Chicago? Plenty of homeless there. Much more than in Zürich.

So they are ugly and they don't solve the problem.
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Yeah but that blue missile looking penis in London is wicked.
You mean the Gerkin? The Gerkin is wicked.

There are plenty of nice looking Skyscrapers. But when you put them all together you can't see the pretty ones from the ugly ones.
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So cities with skyscrapers don't have a housing crisis? Ever been to New York or Chicago? Plenty of homeless there. Much more than in Zürich.

So they are ugly and they don't solve the problem.
Finding an apartment in NYC is much much easier than in Geneva. The vacancy rates are around 0.3% in Geneva.
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You mean the Gerkin? The Gerkin is wicked.

There are plenty of nice looking Skyscrapers. But when you put them all together you can't see the pretty ones from the ugly ones.
The London Dick Gherkin is virtually all office space so makes a scant contribution to London's housing problem.
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Do skyscrapers actually house people, though?

When I think of skyscrapers they are mainly offices / shops / hotels. People are normally housed in high rise structures which in most cities are dwarfed by the commercial skyscrapers.
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It's just as important that it is beautiful or not. Anyway, the people have decided they don't want buildings over a certain height.

Making taller uglier buildings doesn't necessarily solve the problem. Look at NYC. There are plenty of tall buildings and you still can't get decent housing without either paying a fortune or moving further out.
Are you sure it is the people who are against it? or those real estate owners do not want more supply and keep the value of their property high
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Finding an apartment in NYC is much much easier than in Geneva. The vacancy rates are around 0.3% in Geneva.
Next time I see a homeless person in NYC I'll tell them from you that they aren't trying hard enough.
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Airport is just an example. It is easy to say to move, but it is truly a nightmare to find anything in Geneva nowadays. I just came across an article in Swissinfo. They are converting previous indutrial sites to residential buildings. I truly cannot understand. You said there is enough land. If it is the case, why does anyone want to convert industrial sites (hazardous to heath) into apartments?
These sites are usually in a rather central location. So by buidling there you get direct access to an allready existing infrastructure.

BTW: These sites have to be decontaminated before you can build there.
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The London Dick Gherkin is virtually all office space so makes a scant contribution to London's housing problem.
Damn it! I thought it looked like a blue penis. And only office space? So I can't come in or come outside if I don't know anyone inside?
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Re: why there is no skyscrapers in Switzerland

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When I think of skyscrapers they are mainly offices / shops / hotels. People are normally housed in high rise structures which in most cities are dwarfed by the commercial skyscrapers.
there are many 50 plus story residential buildings in NYC and HK. I think most new skyscraper developments in Manhatan are for residential
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Are you sure it is the people who are against it? or those real estate owners do not want more supply and keep the value of their property high
You mean the Bilderbergers?
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These sites are usually in a rather central location. So by buidling there you get direct access to an allready existing infrastructure.

BTW: These sites have to be decontaminated before you can build there.
Furthermore, some converted factories actually make very cool housing. Ever been to Hamburg? There are plenty of nice converted warehouses and factories there. And they're highly sought after.

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Airport is just an example. It is easy to say to move, but it is truly a nightmare to find anything in Geneva nowadays. I just came across an article in Swissinfo. They are converting previous indutrial sites to residential buildings. I truly cannot understand. You said there is enough land. If it is the case, why does anyone want to convert industrial sites (hazardous to heath) into apartments?
Ummm, that's considered a real "hip" thing to do btw. And I would think, logically, you would know, especially in country like Switzerland, if there was any contamination it would be cleaned first.

I worked in the Puls5 building in Zurich and it's not only amazing to look at, and walk thru, it's a great re use of space. And strangely contributes to your industry is better for accomodating people, and less what the skyline looks like.
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Maybe people from Europe have certain resentment against tall buildings. Never have this problem in Asia, North America or Australia
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there are many 50 plus story residential buildings in NYC and HK. I think most new skyscraper developments in Manhatan are for residential
Yes but didn't you say earlier that the great financial cities of the world have a great skylines filled with skyscrapers? Skyscrapers filled with what then?
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Maybe people from Europe have certain resentment against tall buildings. Never have this problem in Asia, North America or Australia
Come to Detroit, where a boom in building and commerce, was met with some rioting and everything has gone downhill since then. Most of the buildings in the Detroit skyline are not only an eyesore, but getting in the way of advancing the city forward.
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Maybe people from Europe have certain resentment against tall buildings. Never have this problem in Asia, North America or Australia
Which would explain why so many tourists from those places come to see European cities.
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