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Whats Hardstrasse, Basel like to live.

Hi Folks,

Just wondering if anyone has any views/experience of what living on Hard Strasse would be like. Its in Gellert which I believe is a nice area in general but have also heard that thus street can be quite commercial/busy and noisy.

Specifically wondering how accesible Novartis and SIS would be by publict transport from here and any other nuggets anyone has!

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Re: Whats Hardstrasse, Basel like to live.

Welcome. I think it's all a matter of perspective, especially when it comes to noise standards in Switzerland. Is living right on Hardstrasse noisy by Basel standards? Certainly. When your windows are open you will hear the tram passing every few minutes. Is it noisy by any other standards? Definitely not. If you're from a small town or are used to living in the country, you might find it a bit noisy in the summertime. Otherwise (if you've ever lived in any city or near the centre of a town), I don't think it will be a problem. My suggestion would be to visit your potential flat and open a couple of windows. Once you've heard a tram pass, that's about as bad as it gets. All other neighbourhood noise (delivery trucks, dogs barking or general traffic, which cannot accurately be described as traffic since we're talking about one lane of very calm driving with no honking whatsoever) is mild and follows the regular 'quiet hours' regulation (2200h - 0700h). Personally, I find the neighbourhood noise comforting and I stopped hearing the trams at all after a few days (unless I'm actively listening to figure out when I need to leave for an appointment, which is actually kind of handy).

As for accessibility to Novartis, it's about as bad as it gets in Basel Stadt, which means it's about as good as it gets in any other city (assuming you're talking about public transit...if not, it's excellent). You're looking at 23 minutes (worst case scenario...you can do better if you time-up your transfers). It's handy to have the option to just sit on one tram all the way (the paperclip-like 14 line) on rainy days so you can relax, read the paper or catch-up on email.

Pardon my ignorance but I don't know what SIS is so I can't comment on that.

I'm not sure I have any nuggets to offer but I'm a fan of the neighbourhood.

Pros:
-close enough to the city centre to feel like you're close to the action (walking distance), but you don't have to deal with the high density cyclists or Fasnacht noise
-great tram access
-good highway access (two minutes to St. Jakob, two minutes to Breite with access to all major highways)
-green and pretty
-good local resources (grocery store options, post, bank, etc.)

Cons:
-lack of multiculturalism
-older or more family-oriented demographic (could be a pro for some, I assume)
-right on the St. Jakob tram route so things get a little busy and raucous (and messy) when FCB plays (but, again, this can be a pro for some)

I hope this has been of some help to you. Feel free to send me a PM if you have any specific questions. Good luck with the flat-hunt!
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Re: Whats Hardstrasse, Basel like to live.

Living exactly on Hardstrasse can be noisy but most of the rest of houses/apartments in Gellert are quiet. It's a nice zone with good transportation connections (Bus 36 & 37, Trams 14 & 3). You'll find that rents there are slightly higher because it is considered a good place to live within the city.

Gellert is mostly self contained, that means it has more or less all you need to make life easy, including supermarkets, bakeries, cafes, restaurants, banks, ATMs, schools, nurseries, a hospital.
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Welcome. I think it's all a matter of perspective, especially when it comes to noise standards in Switzerland. Is living right on Hardstrasse noisy by Basel standards? Certainly. When your windows are open you will hear the tram passing every few minutes. Is it noisy by any other standards? Definitely not. If you're from a small town or are used to living in the country, you might find it a bit noisy in the summertime. Otherwise (if you've ever lived in any city or near the centre of a town), I don't think it will be a problem. My suggestion would be to visit your potential flat and open a couple of windows. Once you've heard a tram pass, that's about as bad as it gets. All other neighbourhood noise (delivery trucks, dogs barking or general traffic, which cannot accurately be described as traffic since we're talking about one lane of very calm driving with no honking whatsoever) is mild and follows the regular 'quiet hours' regulation (2200h - 0700h). Personally, I find the neighbourhood noise comforting and I stopped hearing the trams at all after a few days (unless I'm actively listening to figure out when I need to leave for an appointment, which is actually kind of handy).

As for accessibility to Novartis, it's about as bad as it gets in Basel Stadt, which means it's about as good as it gets in any other city (assuming you're talking about public transit...if not, it's excellent). You're looking at 23 minutes (worst case scenario...you can do better if you time-up your transfers). It's handy to have the option to just sit on one tram all the way (the paperclip-like 14 line) on rainy days so you can relax, read the paper or catch-up on email.

Pardon my ignorance but I don't know what SIS is so I can't comment on that.

I'm not sure I have any nuggets to offer but I'm a fan of the neighbourhood.

Pros:
-close enough to the city centre to feel like you're close to the action (walking distance), but you don't have to deal with the high density cyclists or Fasnacht noise
-great tram access
-good highway access (two minutes to St. Jakob, two minutes to Breite with access to all major highways)
-green and pretty
-good local resources (grocery store options, post, bank, etc.)

Cons:
-lack of multiculturalism
-older or more family-oriented demographic (could be a pro for some, I assume)
-right on the St. Jakob tram route so things get a little busy and raucous (and messy) when FCB plays (but, again, this can be a pro for some)

I hope this has been of some help to you. Feel free to send me a PM if you have any specific questions. Good luck with the flat-hunt!

Thanks Guys for the detailed information

I am relocating with a family so it sounds like it is very much a runner (actually flying from Dublin in the morning via Zurich )

One of our girls will be going to the Swiss International School (sorry for the SIS acyronym!) its beside the music theater, I think a bus runs that way (we wll be very dpendent on public transport initially).

Wish us luck and looking forward to meeting some of the excellent contibutors to EF
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Re: Whats Hardstrasse, Basel like to live.

If you live near the Hardstrasse tram 14 stop, if you catch the tram in the direction of Dreirosenbrücke, I believe the Riehenring stop (about 15 minutes away) is near the musical theatre. It does stop on a busy street though which should be crossed with care. I think the SIS is about a 5 minute walk from there. The next 14 tram stop (Musical Theatre) may be better for going to the SIS. I haven't made the journey myself so am not sure...
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