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landlord right of access ?

hi all,

some of you may know, either from my posting, or from reading posts by mrs.G that we've had a few issues in recent months with our landlord, more so now that we have given notice.......well last night I got home about 7:30 and there was a sticky note on the door saying an electrician needs to come in tomorrow(today) about 9:00am

As he lives next door I went over and told him that was not convenient and he would need to reschedule. He, in turn, told me that he needs to get access soon as he needs to look at the radiators and the electric outlets to see what needs to be done before he re-rents. ( we know he's planning a major remodel of the house anyway )

to me that sounds like a final inspection issue and not something that needs to be done while we are still living there.

so...........can he demand access if the place is not burning down?
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Old 02.10.2012, 10:14
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Re: landlord right of access ?

When are you moving out?
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Re: landlord right of access ?

to me it sounds like it's stuff that should be done after you've left, it's not a final inspection issue.

But now I can be wrong....
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end of November.


he happens to have tradesmen on site due to another building project so he just wants to kill two birds.
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Re: landlord right of access ?

Electric outlets and radiators, it doesn't sounds to me to be part of the handover. I mean, as long as they work properly and are clean. He might want to figure out now what needs to be changed according of the remodeling.

Do you have a problem with him coming in an other time?
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Re: landlord right of access ?

If they are already there it makes sense to let them look at it as well. Otherwise he would have to pay them for the travel time a second time. While I think that it could wait there is a reason that he asked for that time (given that they are already here). Maybe they could come buy later? After the have done whatever they needed to do in the other building / apartment?
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If they are already there it makes sense to let them look at it as well. ...........
thats not my problem, or concern ( btw the electricians will be on site another month or more, due to new construction) and frankly the way he treated mrs. G recently regarding another issue I have trouble with him setting foot in that house at all prior to us handing him the keys.

I do however want to know what his rights are..
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thats not my problem, or concern ( btw the electricians will be on site another month or more, due to new construction) and frankly the way he treated mrs. G recently regarding another issue I have trouble with him setting foot in that house at all prior to us handing him the keys.

I do however want to know what his rights are..
What happened?
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Old 02.10.2012, 10:55
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thats not my problem, or concern ( btw the electricians will be on site another month or more, due to new construction) and frankly the way he treated mrs. G recently regarding another issue I have trouble with him setting foot in that house at all prior to us handing him the keys.

I do however want to know what his rights are..
I'm not sure, sorry - I do think he has some right of access for such things, BUT that he must give more warning than "tomorrow".
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Old 02.10.2012, 10:56
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Re: landlord right of access ?

There could well be something written into your contract.

When we drew up a rental agreement for our old house, we used a standard format from the relevant association, and I'm pretty sure there is something included:

- with prior tenant notification for routine stuff;

- and, in cases of emergency, I have an automatic right of entry.

..... and, I don't think it is necessary (although clearly a courtesy), that the tenant is even there - the landlord can do it alone.

You need to check what's written.
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What happened?
There's a thread somewhere about the construction issues but haven't got time to search now and it's hard on phone.

In Grynch's shoes I would tell him that if the visit is necessary as work will be carried out before you leave then the elecrician may come round but at at time conveniant to you.
If the visit concerns renovation work he plans to do after you leave I would tell him to s*d off.(but this probably won't do much to improve relations between you)

Can't help with the legal aspects I'm afraid.
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as Belgiunmum states it refers to some of mrs.G's posts.. and his actions
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thats not my problem, or concern ( btw the electricians will be on site another month or more, due to new construction) and frankly the way he treated mrs. G recently regarding another issue I have trouble with him setting foot in that house at all prior to us handing him the keys.

I do however want to know what his rights are..
just looking at how your presented it, it would make sense to let him in and check the flat for later work, if it's really a check and nothing else.
But considering how you're making is life difficult for this, I'm curious to hear about the final inspection!
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Old 02.10.2012, 11:02
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There could well be something written into your contract.

When we drew up a rental agreement for our old house, we used a standard format from the relevant association, and I'm pretty sure there is something included:

- with prior tenant notification for routine stuff;

- and, in cases of emergency, I have an automatic right of entry.
I don't have the contract with me but it was pretty basic.. nothing re. right of entry that I recall.. which is why I was asking if anyone knew the basic law.

and this most certainly was not an emergency
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Re: landlord right of access ?

He has been making your life miserable for months without any apologizes, warning nor compensation.

If I was in your shoes, I would use it as a pay back time and tell him no. But that's only because I can be very good at being a bitch.
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thats not my problem, or concern ( btw the electricians will be on site another month or more, due to new construction) and frankly the way he treated mrs. G recently regarding another issue I have trouble with him setting foot in that house at all prior to us handing him the keys.

I do however want to know what his rights are..
If you really want to know, ask a lawyer, you probably don't even need the contract as right of entry would be federal law and specific cases would be mentioned. Ring up renters association for clarity, ASLOCA...

Whilst he may not have been nice to Mrs. G. and i can see why you don't want to let his workmen in (or is he comming too ?) it maybe easier to swallow now rather than wait until the handover when every little thing will be recorded, give a bit now to gain later, type of attitude.
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If you really want to know, ask a lawyer, you probably don't even need the contract as right of entry would be federal law and specific cases would be mentioned. Ring up renters association for clarity, ASLOCA...

Whilst he may not have been nice to Mrs. G. and i can see why you don't want to let his workmen in (or is he comming too ?) it maybe easier to swallow now rather than wait until the handover when every little thing will be recorded, give a bit now to gain later, type of attitude.

I'm sure with a bit of proper notice I'll let him in.. sometime... but as for handover I'm not too concerned... mrs. G and I have pretty will reconciled to the fact we won't be getting our security deposit back ... ( the floor was damaged in a corner, behind where the sofa sits 12 years ago when we moved in... he was aware of that then and we both agreed then that due to the location of damage nothing needed to be done. )
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Re: landlord right of access ?

he does have a right to access but needs to give sufficient notice.
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I'm sure with a bit of proper notice I'll let him in.. sometime... but as for handover I'm not too concerned... mrs. G and I have pretty will reconciled to the fact we won't be getting our security deposit back ... ( the floor was damaged in a corner, behind where the sofa sits 12 years ago when we moved in... he was aware of that then and we both agreed then that due to the location of damage nothing needed to be done. )
If you been there 12 years, most of the usual crap, floors, fitting, painting etc will already be out of their lifespan, therefore not possible to deduct, sounds like you being a little too pesamistic.

Maybe very good time to point this out when he comes visiting with his workmen !
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Re: landlord right of access ?

He should consider your availability for such matters. Legally, since he has given you notice, he cannot undertake any rennovation work while you are still living in the apartment. Reference: http://www.mieterverband.ch/zh_mb_umbau.0.html
assuming you are in ZRH. He can however have somebody coming over to estimate the work etc. but at your convenience.
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