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Re: UK Story - Force against burglars

concerned? do you know my mother? she is good at mind reading also.
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Old 10.10.2012, 12:22
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concerned? do you know my mother? she is good at mind reading also.
I'm not mind reading, I'm just not sure you're really thinking about what your doing when your thinking a cricket bat isn't fit for purpose.
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Re: UK Story - Force against burglars

yes you are correct a cricket bat isnt suitable for baseball
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yes you are correct a cricket bat isnt suitable for baseball
Apparently not suitable for beating people either.
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Re: UK Story - Force against burglars

so is an umbrella or a vacuum cleaner pipe, this can go on all day.
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Old 10.10.2012, 12:36
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Re: UK Story - Force against burglars

All this talk about what to do when confronted by burglars is all well and good but must of them try and burgle you when you're not at home.

When I was last burgled in the U.K, they stole my 'weapon', an ice axe that just happened to be in a bedroom cupboard.
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so is an umbrella or a vacuum cleaner pipe, this can go on all day.
I think you missed the point. You seem less concerned about self defense, more concerned with how much of a beating you can deliver.

Not to mention the fact, what kind of self defensive situation are you going to be in that will allow you time to retrieve the baseball bat from the boot of the car?
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Re: UK Story - Force against burglars

At my other home in Arizona, the Castle doctrine says that a homeowner or other resident has the right to use lethal force in the defense of their place of residence against an intruder

Here, I believe that you are supposed to ask them in for tea whilst filling out an online request for police protection which may possibly be scheduled for a week from this coming Thursday, pending committee approval.
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Re: UK Story - Force against burglars

watch "the collector"
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I think you missed the point. You seem less concerned about self defense, more concerned with how much of a beating you can deliver.

very true, note to self... use a feather

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Not to mention the fact, what kind of self defensive situation are you going to be in that will allow you time to retrieve the baseball bat from the boot of the car?

a proactive one
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A week ago someone said pre-meditated violent defence of your home would not be tolerated, and that keeping a baseball bat in the bedroom might be considered as pre-meditated. That is a fat lot of help!

I tell my children, it's better to be charged by the police for violence against a criminal, than to be raped by the criminal. Fight them, don't give in.
Bedtimes stories at the Sbrinz household were never all that much fun.
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That's what I thought. The people who I knew who repeated the baseball bat and mit story used the term self defense in inverted commas.
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Old 10.10.2012, 13:25
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At my other home in Arizona, the Castle doctrine says that a homeowner or other resident has the right to use lethal force in the defense of their place of residence against an intruder

Here, I believe that you are supposed to ask them in for tea whilst filling out an online request for police protection which may possibly be scheduled for a week from this coming Thursday, pending committee approval.
Worse still, you're supposed to fill out your Billag application form. Otherwise they won't go away.
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Old 10.10.2012, 13:42
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Re: UK Story - Force against burglars

The premise that, when someone is breaking into my home, I am going to be considering anything other than simply stopping them, is absurd. If I am protecting my life or those of my family, the last thing I care about is if I hurt my attacker too much. S/he chose to attack me, with all the risk that could entail.

These premises are founded upon misconceptions from watching too many Hollywood action movies, where people routinely pick up handguns and shoot moving assailants in precise manner to disarm or disable them, that criminals are buffoonish and inept, and that the police always show up in the nick of time to arrest the bad guy.

The reality is that most people cannot shoot that precisely, and if you "kneecap" someone, that doesn't mean they can't or won't shoot back. The reality is that the criminal might be MORE proficient and able in a stressful situation than the victim. The reality is that there are not enough police around to respond quickly in every situation, and further, criminals don't exactly wait around when they see the lights and hear the sirens.

It's very easy to second-guess someone after the fact.
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The premise that, when someone is breaking into my home, I am going to be considering anything other than simply stopping them, is absurd. If I am protecting my life or those of my family, the last thing I care about is if I hurt my attacker too much. S/he chose to attack me, with all the risk that could entail.

These premises are founded upon misconceptions from watching too many Hollywood action movies, where people routinely pick up handguns and shoot moving assailants in precise manner to disarm or disable them, that criminals are buffoonish and inept, and that the police always show up in the nick of time to arrest the bad guy.

The reality is that most people cannot shoot that precisely, and if you "kneecap" someone, that doesn't mean they can't or won't shoot back. The reality is that the criminal might be MORE proficient and able in a stressful situation than the victim. The reality is that there are not enough police around to respond quickly in every situation, and further, criminals don't exactly wait around when they see the lights and hear the sirens.

It's very easy to second-guess someone after the fact.
The reality of this is that you are describing the USA, not the UK.
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The reality of this is that you are describing the USA, not the UK.
Not really. "Measured response" is the same misconception wherever you go.
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Not really. "Measured response" is the same misconception wherever you go.
A "measured response" process would be:

"Measure up" the assailant using a calibrated tape measure approved by the local police force.

If attacker over 6 foot - run, leave tape measure on the floor.
If under 6 foot - why not have a go with your WWF skills?
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A "measured response" process would be:

"Measure up" the assailant using a calibrated tape measure approved by the local police force.

If attacker over 6 foot - run, leave tape measure on the floor.
If under 6 foot - why not have a go with your WWF skills?
Why not get the measuring tape for your doorframe?
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Not really. "Measured response" is the same misconception wherever you go.
I think it's very different when firearms are involved.
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That's what I thought. The people who I knew who repeated the baseball bat and mit story used the term self defense in inverted commas.

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