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Hodge podge new kitchen -- how to do it?

Hi,
sorry if my question has been already discussed, but I could not find it.

We are thinking about a total remodelling of the kitchen and I am not sure how it could be done. Whatever I've seen on the web on in the stores usually involves the whole package of kitchen cabinets and appliances, and appliances come from the same brand (say, V-Zug). Yet we would strongly prefer to get the appliances of different brands, the ones that are the best for the job (like Miele dishwasher, Zug or Gaggenau combi steam oven, etc.). We can even consider buying the appliances separately from the kitchen cabinets and order the cabinets that would accomodate them.

Did anyone have any experience with such arrangement? I am looking at the kitchens in Germany and Italy -- do you know if they do the work I described?

Any recommendations and opinions about top kitchen equipment for each task (combisteam, induction hob, fridge, etc.) will be also very appreciated!

Thanks a lot!
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Re: Hodge podge new kitchen -- how to do it?

We got a kitchen from a local firm and we could have nay appliances we wanted fitted.

And we did. Siemens ovens, Electrolux hob, Westco fan and Miele fridge.

We wanted Gaggenau but that was a bit too expensive!
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Re: Hodge podge new kitchen -- how to do it?

Did you buy the appliances yourself or through them? And could you tell me the name of the company?

Thanks for your reply!
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Re: Hodge podge new kitchen -- how to do it?

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And we did. Siemens ovens, Electrolux hob, Westco fan and Miele fridge.

We wanted Gaggenau but that was a bit too expensive!
You chose wisely.

My Gaggenau oven doesn't cook quite uniformly. I've learned to get around it, for instance using bundt pans rather than regular baking pans, or rotating pans twice during baking... but it's a pain nonetheless. Not worth the price premium, IME. I wish I had gone with the Siemens rather than letting the salesman talk me into the Gaggenau.

To the OP - we, too, have a mixture of appliances - Gaggenau and Siemens. But be careful of dimensions. We had a bit of bother over the dishwasher (Siemens) not quite fitting the wood panel overlay. Swiss vs. German standard sizes. A good kitchen firm should have spotted that... but the one we used didn't.
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Re: Hodge podge new kitchen -- how to do it?

I am going to go only for European sizes -- no Swiss.

Thank you for the tip about the oven -- Gaggenau is quite expensive and it is very useful to know it's not worth the money. I am still researching, for now Miele comes on top for the dishwasher and washing/drying machines, but oven/induction hob/fridge are not yet settled. I would appreciate any opinion or advice/personal experience.

I was also thinking about going around and asking small local carpenter companies (menuiseries) if they can fit the cabinets. I haven't yet tried that and do not know if it is a good idea. Does anyone have any good/bad experience with a small local company?

Thanks again!
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Re: Hodge podge new kitchen -- how to do it?

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I am going to go only for European sizes -- no Swiss.

Thank you for the tip about the oven -- Gaggenau is quite expensive and it is very useful to know it's not worth the money. I am still researching, for now Miele comes on top for the dishwasher and washing/drying machines, but oven/induction hob/fridge are not yet settled. I would appreciate any opinion or advice/personal experience.
When we looked, the Siemens ovens appeared to give the largest internal volume out of the major brands (the Miele's were tiny in comparison).


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I am going to go only for European sizes -- no Swiss.



I was also thinking about going around and asking small local carpenter companies (menuiseries) if they can fit the cabinets. I haven't yet tried that and do not know if it is a good idea. Does anyone have any good/bad experience with a small local company?

KTZV
We had our (German) kitchen fitted by a local company. They also supplied the appliances but we got some good deals (the induction hob was a demo in their showroom and they let us have it for half-price).

But they are local to us (Horgen/Waedenswil/Thalwil and not to Lausanne.

They're were brilliant and I'd give them a 100% recommendation.

http://renova.ch/
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Re: Hodge podge new kitchen -- how to do it?

We did the same - French kitchen and the shop was totally fine with us keeping some current appliances, choosing some new ones and sure we got a say which ones we wanted.

Went for this induction hob, allows you to use different shaped pots, as the whole area is active:
http://www.siemens-home.de/produktsu...?source=browse
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Re: Hodge podge new kitchen -- how to do it?

There are two different kinds of kitchen appliance.
The so called Swiss-Norm and the Euro-Norm appliances.
Swiss-Norm has housing/cabinet width of 55cm whereas Euro-Norm specifiecs the front panel width as 60cm (which will result in a housing width of approx 56cm).

There exist some appliance where the only difference between Swiss or Euro is the front panel. But there are some appliances where you will have a real difference. Fridges! An Euro-Norm fridge can be bigger and a backing tin will fit in it (depending on oven size)! Additionally you may find the wider selection and better prices with Euro-Norm appliances.

As for the oven. I think a self cleaning oven is a charm. Unfortunately mine has only a catalytic coating at the back.

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Re: Hodge podge new kitchen -- how to do it?

We're just in the process of getting our Alsace kitchen redone from scratch, and had very much the same sort of idea as the OP. In our case, the hob/oven was the easy bit, as we want what we had before in the UK, but which wasn't able to run off the bottled gas we get here. http://falconappliances.com/products...92-deluxe.aspx

So far it's looking like we'll have a lot more built-in units than we at first thought, complicated by our desire for multi-height work surfaces and a bar area, but we'll also have a free-standing fridge, possibly one of these http://www.smeg50style.com/the-range/fab50 and a belfast sink.

Not completed the design yet, but it's a lot more work that one might have thought!
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Re: Hodge podge new kitchen -- how to do it?

Fridge / freezer, recommend you get the fridge part at the top, freezer below with separate doors for both. Fridge part being larger than the freezer.

years ago had the freezer on top and that does not make sense, as open the fridge much more often.

I am still a fan of ceramic hobs as so easy to keep clean.

be careful what work surfaces you choose, some look good in shop, but dont once you start using them
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Re: Hodge podge new kitchen -- how to do it?

Privet Kutuzov!

I don't really understand your problem. We had our kitchen redone and just went to a shop in Etoy, chose the kitchen and then chose whichever appliances we wanted. We went for Siemens but could have any other brand.

The problem with buying in Germany and Italy are the initial cabinet/ countertop measurements. They have to be exactly correct. So if you insist on buying there, i recommend you get them to come to Lausanne to measure everything before you order. Of course that will cost you

The installation itself is easy. Any carpenter can do it. Frankly, I think you are overcomplicating the problem.

PM me if you need further info.
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Re: Hodge podge new kitchen -- how to do it?

We have all V-Zug (Euro size, I believe as all my old pans fit), and despite never hearing of them before and previously being German appliance snobs, we are happy with them all!

The Miele dishwashers have that cutlery drawer at the top which I think is a nice feature. Our V-Zug dishwasher is bigger inside than conventional models, I think - which is great, as I have rarely had the problem that something didn't fit up top.
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Re: Hodge podge new kitchen -- how to do it?

You can do what you want, but when you de decide, think maybe about the time when you may want or need to sell up.....
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Re: Hodge podge new kitchen -- how to do it?

We have a Miele dishwasher in this house and it is the worst thing ever. I've never before had a dishwasher that performs so badly.

We are currently building a house and like Tom we have a different brands for different appliances. It's not a problem at all and in a couple of the places we went to they actually recommended we do that.Needless to say the dishwasher will not be a Miele.



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Re: Hodge podge new kitchen -- how to do it?

IK 36: I do not think I am very fussy but I've been to Etoy and did not really like the kitchens there. Perhaps I need to take another look.

We have original blueprints from construction of the apartment with all the measurements. I would have thought it is sufficient to send/give the plans to the kitchen cabinets' guys. Am I correct?

We had a Miele dishwasher in one of the places we rented and it was good. In another place V-Zug kept breaking up and was much noisier. I've read some controversial reports about V-Zug and Miele, it seems that all brands detiriorate with time. Yet AFAIK most of Miele is still made in Germany while V-Zug gets their models produced in many other places than Switzerland.

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Re: Hodge podge new kitchen -- how to do it?

Even with blueprints, I would still have measurements taken again. Just in case. Kitchens are tricky.
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Hi,
sorry if my question has been already discussed, but I could not find it.

We are thinking about a total remodelling of the kitchen and I am not sure how it could be done. Whatever I've seen on the web on in the stores usually involves the whole package of kitchen cabinets and appliances, and appliances come from the same brand (say, V-Zug). Yet we would strongly prefer to get the appliances of different brands, the ones that are the best for the job (like Miele dishwasher, Zug or Gaggenau combi steam oven, etc.). We can even consider buying the appliances separately from the kitchen cabinets and order the cabinets that would accomodate them.

Did anyone have any experience with such arrangement? I am looking at the kitchens in Germany and Italy -- do you know if they do the work I described?

Any recommendations and opinions about top kitchen equipment for each task (combisteam, induction hob, fridge, etc.) will be also very appreciated!

Thanks a lot!
KTZV
We are redoing a kitchen in Chatel, in France, just over the border from Morgins. I repainted the existing cabinets and changed the cabinet hardware. We ordered a new, Westfall stove. It runs on bottled gas and it is to die for. We have ordered a custom granite counter top from here:

http://www.cuisines-schmidt.com/

The people at Schmidt speak english and they have about 30 choices of granite. Monthey is only about 45 minutes from Lausanne. Highly recommend.
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Re: Hodge podge new kitchen -- how to do it?

If you are in Lausanne, have you tried these guys in Vich, bbg Swizma http://www.swizma.ch/ They do Euro and Swiss, and do all kinds of kitchen installations. No experience with them, but they seem to have a good business.
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Re: Hodge podge new kitchen -- how to do it?

IKEA
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- 5 year on electrics

Cheaper than anything else you'll find and just as good.

And if you are worried about the electrics, you can get your own.
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Re: Hodge podge new kitchen -- how to do it?

V-Zug: They have two ranges of appliances, the cheaper ones which are re-badged non-Swiss-Made ones (They may be Miele, Bauknecht, Electrolux or whatever) and the more expensive real V-Zug Swiss-Made ones. But I do not know which ones are more reliable.

It is also said that Miele fridges are in fact made by Liebherr.
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