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Old 01.11.2012, 22:47
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Finding a Nachmieter

I figure this is a good place to ask this, because I posted a few weeks ago on the right commercial forum here and didn't get a single bite. That tells me that no one has a personal stake in giving me bad advice here

I need to find a "zumutbaren Nachmieter" (or maybe I don't, depending on your advice). I gave notice for Dec. 1, and posted an ad on homegate in late September. Now I have a month left to find someone, but I'm getting really nervous. I only have to find one, not three, as someone has told me. One couple submitted an application, and was approved, but at the last minute received a better offer, so they bagged out. The property manager says they've only received the one application, though I've handed out about eight.

So my questions, o wise ones, are:

1. Did I fulfill that requirement or not?
2. If I didn't, how close do I have to get?
3. Do I have to ensure someone signs the lease?
4. If so, how can I sweeten the offer over the next month? My thoughts so far are:
- Offer an earlier move-in date, like (please please say no) mid-November?
- Post daily viewing appointments on homegate instead of just on Sundays (no one signs up anyway)?
- Advertise more places? Where?
- Get an agent?
- Sublet till March, but I only have one bed now (and three bedrooms)?
5. What if I paid December rent? Would they let me go home?
6. Are there no circumstances under which I can be released from this obligation, or does the property manager own my a-- now?
7. It's a nice place with a marvelous view. Why doesn't anyone want it?
Thanks in advance for any advice. Spare me the lectures and flames; I was not able to give notice for any earlier, and I wouldn't leave now if it weren't important for me to. It's late as it is.
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Old 01.11.2012, 23:14
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I figure this is a good place to ask this, because I posted a few weeks ago on the right commercial forum here and didn't get a single bite. That tells me that no one has a personal stake in giving me bad advice here

I need to find a "zumutbaren Nachmieter" (or maybe I don't, depending on your advice). I gave notice for Dec. 1, and posted an ad on homegate in late September. Now I have a month left to find someone, but I'm getting really nervous. I only have to find one, not three, as someone has told me. One couple submitted an application, and was approved, but at the last minute received a better offer, so they bagged out. The property manager says they've only received the one application, though I've handed out about eight.

So my questions, o wise ones, are:

1. Did I fulfill that requirement or not?
2. If I didn't, how close do I have to get?
3. Do I have to ensure someone signs the lease?
4. If so, how can I sweeten the offer over the next month? My thoughts so far are:
- Offer an earlier move-in date, like (please please say no) mid-November?
- Post daily viewing appointments on homegate instead of just on Sundays (no one signs up anyway)?
- Advertise more places? Where?
- Get an agent?
- Sublet till March, but I only have one bed now (and three bedrooms)?
5. What if I paid December rent? Would they let me go home?
6. Are there no circumstances under which I can be released from this obligation, or does the property manager own my a-- now?
7. It's a nice place with a marvelous view. Why doesn't anyone want it?
Thanks in advance for any advice. Spare me the lectures and flames; I was not able to give notice for any earlier, and I wouldn't leave now if it weren't important for me to. It's late as it is.
Sorry to hear you're having trouble finding a nachmieter. I don't know much about the legalities of getting a nachmieter - hopefully someone else can help.

For #4 - a few suggestions.
1- Post also in English on the homegate ad.
2- Add in a Saturday viewing and perhaps one weekday viewing - when we had a relocation consultant, she wouldn't work weekends and sent us alone to viewings on these dates.
3- Advertise through your networks - workplace, friends' workplaces, playgroup listservs, etc.
4- If you could, I would retake a few of the pictures on the homegate ad - one with no dog in the living room, one without the flowers in the kitchen (I like them, but someone might think they are permanent?)

If you PM me your email address and some ad copy, I can send it out to a list serv I'm on, where this may be of some interest.
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Re: Finding a Nachmieter

How many months are your "Kündigung"? As far as I know, you don't have to find one, it is only a possibility for you to get rid of that flat during the Kündigungsperiode.
After your notice period you don't have to do anything.

My experience is that during these (normally) 3 months the Vermieter are not really keen on having another Mieter, it is just so comfortable to get paid for an empty flat/room. My thought is your Vermieter can possibly sabotage your efforts to find a Nachmieter.
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So my questions, o wise ones, are:

1. Did I fulfill that requirement or not?
You did not.
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2. If I didn't, how close do I have to get?
The ink on the new contract has to be dry.
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3. Do I have to ensure someone signs the lease?
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4. If so, how can I sweeten the offer over the next month?
Offer one month of rent.
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5. What if I paid December rent? Would they let me go home?
Depends on the contract, you have to pay till the next possible termination date. At best that would be three months from your resignation letter. At worst it could mean till and of March.
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obligation, or does the property manager own my a-- now?
No you cannot be released from your obligations, unless you find a replacement tenant. The landlord does not own your ass but the money you own him per contract.
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7. It's a nice place with a marvelous view. Why doesn't anyone want it?
Too expensive? But your pictures are blurry, shaky, out of focus, not color corrected, tilted, your interior and furniture looks like a college dorm room, and you did not tidy up. Also mention in the ad: How far to next grocery store, bus stop/train station, school etc. On EF you mentioned the kitchen appliances on Homegate you did not. Bad. You have to sell the place not just advertise.
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Re: Finding a Nachmieter

Hey, thanks for the encouraging reply! True to your username, your post focuses on the negative. Can't do much about the furniture now, can I? Try and focus on things I do have control over.

It does sound like you're talking about a different ad, though, because I do mention the appliances in the kitchen and the nearby transportation/shopping in the homegate ad. Granted, the pictures may be blurry.

You're not one of those people who tries to make a point about the good things he's used to (camera, furnishings) by trashing other people's, are you? Good, I didn't think so.
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Re: Finding a Nachmieter

It only needs to be one suitable tenant, but its the landlords decision what constitutes suitable, although there are guidelines for this (it is Switzerland of course): solvent, "gute leumund" ie reputable, will take over on the same conditions, and "no disadvantages compared to the current tenant" which apparently means say if you were renting as a married couple, he cant declined unmarried couples, couple with kids if there is room in the flat, foreigners (except asylum seeker), but could refuse professional musicians or pets... that are likely to cause a nuisance. Where the landlord lives in the block the criteria can become more subjective.

I looked this up in "Mietrecht" (rental law) from beobachter.ch 2010 edition. Could be a question for the Swiss QI show...

PS I copied my own reply to another notice period thread, rather than link cause the thread itself was pretty annoying.
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You're not one of those people who tries to make a point about the good things he's used to (camera, furnishings) by trashing other people's, are you? Good, I didn't think so.
O.k. lets focus on the stuff we can change. True the distances are in the ad, on the right hand side. Did not see just had a quick glance ad it, sorry. Also you mention the kitchen, sorry my bad.

The problem is that your post looks more like a Craigslist ad then a Homegate one. I know what I am talking about see my name . And you wont get easily rid of your flat with it. The problem is that not many people are moving during this time of year, that means your ad has not just to be good but perfect. Keep in mind that you may loose several months of rent. Thats quite a lot of money at stake.

You cannot change the furniture (ps most of my furniture is from the same place as yours), but you can change the pictures. Its not so much a fact of what they show but how they show it. Instead of using your phone use a real camera, you won't need a fancy pancy DSLR one (I have neither one). Ask a friend, maybe he/she has also a tripod. Or your friend may even take the pictures as he/she is really good in it. Here are some tips.

Also ask your landlord for a floor plan, or draw one yourself.

Use paragraphs. It is easier to read and get all the details. For ex this ad has not much more information but is better structured.

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The problem is that not many people are moving during this time of year,

You cannot change the furniture (ps most of my furniture is from the same place as yours), but you can change the pictures.

Also ask your landlord for a floor plan, or draw one yourself.

Use paragraphs. It is easier to read and get all the details.
There are some really good tips in this post. It is difficult at the end of the year. I don't think many people like to move in wintertime. Also, bear in mind, Richterswil is not Zurich. It don't think you would have had any trouble renting the apartment in Zurich...


But as it is try to following:
  • take new picures (the one of the kitchen is tiny in the Homegate ad)
  • don't state a fix date where people can visit, rather let them call you and then try to find a date together
  • try to put the on other places as well (your local Migros / Coop, Ron Orp (this is a newsletter there is even an English version but try to use both)
  • ask your landlord if it could be used as a WG. If so make use of the universities of applied sciences nearby (there is one in Wädenswil and there is one in Rapperswil). Both have an online board and are constantly looking for apartments. Contact their international office they are also always looking for apartments for the international students. Same might work as well for the university of Zurich or even Lucerne both the other ones are much closer
  • if your apartment can be used as WG put an ad as well on www.wg-zimmer.ch
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Re: Finding a Nachmieter

Thanks, all, for your helpful tips so far (you too, SwissintheUSA ). Responding with a quick lunchtime post:

- I did use a "good" camera for my pictures, all but the kitchen one. Not a DSLR but a good one. The blurriness is more likely due to the fact that my hands shook while taking them. Will remedy, somehow. And the tiny kitchen one was "warmified" in Picasa, not that anyone can tell.

- Point well taken about the paragraphs. You're right, the example reads better.

- Irish, I think the lease says something about no WGs, but I'll check again. If there are any in the building, they're keeping it pretty quiet.

- Danny, I was aware of the problem with "zumutbar" from the start. I'm a single mom and barely passed muster with the property managers myself, though my income was more than sufficient. As for pets, I had one (back home now) so they could hardly turn someone down on that basis. No, the landlord doesn't live in the building. To be fair, most of the people who have viewed it seemed to be "zumutbar" anyway.

- Soleil, I gave notice about a week before the official deadline of October 1. I would have had to give notice in July to make that deadline, and I wasn't even thinking about leaving then.

Keep the suggestions coming and thanks!
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My professional advice is to remove "sofort" from the ad regarding availability and put "nach vereinbarung". You have the date of 1.12 in the headline so I think this is confusing.

The pictures are not the best, if you can resize the kitchen photo to make it larger that would help.

It really goes without saying that if rooms like tidy in the photos, it is more appealing. When you see clutter all over the bathroom, what comes to mind is inadequate storage.

Also, you need to mention laundry facilities. Where are they, what is the system (how many share, washplan, or do you have your own?...or can one put own machines in.

Also, you list a parking space and garage. Is all this included in the rent?

Is there a cellar? Other features such as bicycle room? What about a lift?

I really think you need to take some better photos, and also, if you have a floor plan of the apartment, add that to the ad. A lot of people are interested in the layout and room sizes.

Finding a Nachmieter is tough. I have had to do this often enough for clients so I know how difficult it can be. You need to be very flexible about viewing times.

You can place an ad for free on www.gratis-inserate.ch
Place an ad up at the local grocery store.

Best of luck with this.
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So I was in touch with the OP and was informed that the ad was changed.

I think it is so much better now.

http://www.homegate.ch/mieten/104084...ault&l=default

I certainly hope this will do the trick. Best of luck.
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Really nice pictures, good job. Fits the description "gross und hell". I do not even care anymore that they are a little bit tilted. Good luck with your search.
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Oooh, yay, the new ad is working! Already a couple of people lined up for today. Thanks for your tips, everyone.
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well done! it looks really nice and welcoming. good pictures. I wish the apartment was closer to Zurich

Good luck with the move and keep us posted!
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Re: Finding a Nachmieter

Hi all,
Just to follow up. YES, I found a Nachmieter, but almost literally in the 11th hour (handover was today, he signed yesterday). In the end I had to pay December rent. But that's way better than December, January, February and March rent, no? Anyway, on my way back to the US on Tuesday. Thanks to all for the good tips.
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