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I think the real estate agent is passing the buck. They should inspect it and take care of cleaning arrangements with the last tenant.
Omtatsat, I agree. But the previous tenant has already contacted us in the meantime, and we don't want any bad blood with them (they moved downstairs).

I am just taken by surprise with all this. I thought houses were handed over in squeaky clean condition in Switzerland!
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Old 06.11.2019, 18:18
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I am just taken by surprise with all this. I thought houses were handed over in squeaky clean condition in Switzerland!
No. We bought a new place and it was in a disgusting state -after "professional" cleaning.

We cleaned a place ourselves once for the handover and the agent said they had never seen a place cleaner.

So I guess it depends...
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No. We bought a new place and it was in a disgusting state -after "professional" cleaning.

We cleaned a place ourselves once for the handover and the agent said they had never seen a place cleaner.

So I guess it depends...
Live and learn....
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I am just taken by surprise with all this. I thought houses were handed over in squeaky clean condition in Switzerland!
My experience is that yes, they are handed over in reasonably clean condition*, but you always find corners and bits that were omitted.

And being a bit of a cleaning maniac myself, I always wipe again certain surfaces anyway.
(much to my husband's amusement)

*Maybe we were lucky. I don't want to start a long discussion about dirty houses in CH or experiences I didn't personally have. :-)

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Yes, I signed off. But I have 10 days to say "that is not right".

Update: just got a message from real estate agent saying they will fix everything in the following weeks and that he asked previous owners to get in touch with us so they can clean whatever is not ok... not so bad I guess
Well I would think that the past tenants now have no obligation to do anything. The handover is complete.
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[B][U]And being a bit of a cleaning maniac myself, I always wipe again certain surfaces anyway.
(much to my husband's amusement)
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Old 06.11.2019, 19:36
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Yes, I signed off. But I have 10 days to say "that is not right".

Update: just got a message from real estate agent saying they will fix everything in the following weeks and that he asked previous owners to get in touch with us so they can clean whatever is not ok... not so bad I guess
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Omtatsat, I agree. But the previous tenant has already contacted us in the meantime, and we don't want any bad blood with them (they moved downstairs).

I am just taken by surprise with all this. I thought houses were handed over in squeaky clean condition in Switzerland!
Terrible company policies and worryingly bad admin skills!

You now have to show the neighbours where they left dirt and what kind, then you basically have to hang around watching them clean it up (they're strangers, you don't want them in the flat alone). Are you gonne lend the cleaning supplies to them too?
I hope admin is some private bloke who doesn't know better because it it is a professional company .....

Anyway, guess you have to get it over with and learn (what you should have known this time ) for next time.

Like someone else mentioned, I too clean kitchen and baths first thing no matter what they look like when I move in and floors as soon as all the dusty boxes and stuff are out.
So depending how disgusting it is, you might just get it done your way and drop the discussions.

If these neighbours give you more grieve in the future, buy new house shoes:



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Can be pricey!

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LOOOOOL!!
They are downstairs neighbours, so the sound of walking in dutch clogs would be punishment for sure!
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Wow.
Just.wow.
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Can be pricey!

Attachment 138071
  • 1-2 bathrooms - every inch of them, all tiles and interfix, washing machine, hair-free pipes
  • kitchen - cooking range, ofen, fridge, freezer, all cupboards in and out and top, exhaust hood (the one you never realized has an inside all those years you lived there ), dishwasher, all tiles and interfix, chrome steel surfaces, any surfaces, maybe microwave, steamer ......
  • serious cleaning of wooden floors and tile floors, carpet shampooing, skirting boards, all sockets and light switches, all fixed lamps, all cupboards inside and out, all doors, windows, window-frames, shutters, possibly balcony floor and railing ..... which reminds me of staircase railings in maisonette-flats and of course the stairs ..... cheminée (fireplace) if there is one there, spiderwebs along ceilings, mailbox/milkbox, cellar-compartement, maybe a garage/parking spot
  • use of machines, cleaning material, way to get to the flat and back (Wegpauschale)
  • social costs, insurance etc. etc. for the employees doing it all
  • hand-over to the landlord (yep, they have to stand there and clean until the bloke signs for it)

And in some cases this can be a very dirty job!

So, omtatsat, how much would you do it for?
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  • 1-2 bathrooms - every inch of them, all tiles and interfix, washing machine, hair-free pipes
  • kitchen - cooking range, ofen, fridge, freezer, all cupboards in and out and top, exhaust hood (the one you never realized has an inside all those years you lived there ), dishwasher, all tiles and interfix, chrome steel surfaces, any surfaces, maybe microwave, steamer ......
  • serious cleaning of wooden floors and tile floors, carpet shampooing, skirting boards, all sockets and light switches, all fixed lamps, all cupboards inside and out, all doors, windows, window-frames, shutters, possibly balcony floor and railing ..... which reminds me of staircase railings in maisonette-flats and of course the stairs ..... cheminée (fireplace) if there is one there, spiderwebs along ceilings, mailbox/milkbox, cellar-compartement, maybe a garage/parking spot
  • use of machines, cleaning material, way to get to the flat and back (Wegpauschale)
  • social costs, insurance etc. etc. for the employees doing it all
  • hand-over to the landlord (yep, they have to stand there and clean until the bloke signs for it)

And in some cases this can be a very dirty job!

So, omtatsat, how much would you do it for?
Oh. I'll pass. I don't like to get my hands dirty
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hand-over to the landlord (yep, they have to stand there and clean until the bloke signs for it)
Only if it's an explicit part of the contract (agreed, you want it to). Übergabegarantie or similar.
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  • 1-2 bathrooms - every inch of them, all tiles and interfix, washing machine, hair-free pipes
  • kitchen - cooking range, ofen, fridge, freezer, all cupboards in and out and top, exhaust hood (the one you never realized has an inside all those years you lived there ), dishwasher, all tiles and interfix, chrome steel surfaces, any surfaces, maybe microwave, steamer ......
  • serious cleaning of wooden floors and tile floors, carpet shampooing, skirting boards, all sockets and light switches, all fixed lamps, all cupboards inside and out, all doors, windows, window-frames, shutters, possibly balcony floor and railing ..... which reminds me of staircase railings in maisonette-flats and of course the stairs ..... cheminée (fireplace) if there is one there, spiderwebs along ceilings, mailbox/milkbox, cellar-compartement, maybe a garage/parking spot
  • use of machines, cleaning material, way to get to the flat and back (Wegpauschale)
  • social costs, insurance etc. etc. for the employees doing it all
  • hand-over to the landlord (yep, they have to stand there and clean until the bloke signs for it)

And in some cases this can be a very dirty job!

So, omtatsat, how much would you do it for?
All joking aside. Thats the way I usually clean my place anyhow.
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