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Plastering a wall ...... question.

Ok, here`s my problem I`m throwing out to EF. Well, not MY problem, but I`m sick of hearing the different "professional" adivice, and O/H is going crazy, not knowing who to believe.

Hahaaa (actually, but I keep hoping a solution will appear so am appealing to anyone who knows about these things to maybe offer a solution?)

So, he removed a wall between the kitchen and diningroom, and now has a piece of roughty filled in with plaster up one wall, and down the other wall.

The other walls have the "rough bubbly Swiss plaster" - and the new pieces need to be matched with this so no dividing line is visible.

One qualified plasterer (young) says he needs to paint some magic stuff over the existing plaster and then plaster to a window so dividing line is not visible.......

The other (more experienced but not working in the trade for last 4 years) says he needs to paint a different magic stuff, then plaster with a 2cm thick stuff over ALL the walls. Which is the least desirable way as it means having a "building site" in house for months!

Now ..... do we believe the young and working in the trade? ... or the experienced older guy?(who no longer works in the trade)

Plus - If one re-plasters the entire walls, why can it not be SMOOTH and WASHABLE? WHY must they plaster with stones?
This room has a Swedish oven that, over the years, deposits a smutty black dust on the walls and ceiling (that cannot be washed off, needs to be painted!)

And then we come to the bathroom. We need to renew the bath. Which means destroying all the wall tiles to get the bath out, which means re-tiling ..... to the same old height and painting, or tiling to the ceiling.

What I cannot understand is WHY they have this rough bubble plaster all over in houses, which cannot be washed? Does this country not know about SMOOTH plaster, and washable paint? (SA style).
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Old 24.02.2013, 19:47
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Ok, here`s my problem I`m throwing out to EF. Well, not MY problem, but I`m sick of hearing the different "professional" adivice, and O/H is going crazy, not knowing who to believe.

Hahaaa (actually, but I keep hoping a solution will appear so am appealing to anyone who knows about these things to maybe offer a solution?)

So, he removed a wall between the kitchen and diningroom, and now has a piece of roughly filled in with plaster up one wall, and down the others wall.

The other walls have the "rough bubbly Swiss plaster" - and the new pieces need to be matched with this so no dividing line is visible.

One qualified plasterer (young) says he needs to paint some magic stuff over the existing plaster and then plaster to a window so dividing line is not visible.......

The other (more experienced but not working in the trade for last 4 years) says he needs to paint a different magic stuff, then plaster with a 2cm thick stuff over ALL the walls. Which is the least desirable way as it means having a "building site" in house for months!

Now ..... do we believe the young and working in the trade? ... or the experienced older guy?(who no longer works in the trade)

Plus - If one re-plasters the entire walls, why can it not be SMOOTH and WASHABLE? WHY must they plaster with stones?
This room has a Swedish oven that, over the years, deposits a smutty black dust on the walls and ceiling (that cannot be washed off, needs to be painted!)

And then we come to the bathroom. We need to renew the bath. Which means destroying all the wall tiles to get the bath out, which means re-tiling ..... to the same old height and painting, or tiling to the ceiling.

What I cannot understand is WHY they have this rough bubble plaster all over in houses, which cannot be washed? Does this country not know about SMOOTH plaster, and washable paint? (SA style).
I'm struggling to visualise what is left (after wall removal), and needs covering/plastering, from the above description.

The bubbly "plaster" sounds like 'Marmoran', which is more of a textured paint, than a plaster - although it is applied with a trowel, as opposed to a brush. It should be able to blend to the existing wall covering, although there will be probably be a difference in colour tones, between new and old, so a total complete over painting may be required.

But it is difficult to say exactly, without a clearer description (for me, at least), or a pic.
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Old 24.02.2013, 20:06
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Re: Plastering a wall ...... question.

I would go with the young guy, who is more up to date with what's on the market, assuming you have a fairly new apartment.

I'm going to assume you own your apartment, as you are self-renovating, and as far as I can tell the 'rough' plaster finish is a trend, not serving any real practical purpose. I hate it too - it marks like crazy and I've skinned my elbows more than once from hitting it whilst carrying a child in my arms.

Our apartment has been 'home' renovated by the owner, and we don't have those rough walls...just a strange combination of smooth plasterboard, textured wallpaper that has been painted over, and painted raw concrete.
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Old 24.02.2013, 20:48
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Re: Plastering a wall ...... question.

Could you provide us a picture to see exactly what it is?
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Re: Plastering a wall ...... question.

I would go with the younger, he sounds as though he is up to date, In the UK, the magic fluid would be a PVA type adhesive which is painted onto the wall to give the new plaster something to grip onto and seal the under surface. Smooth plaster is not something they like doing here, and I hate the rough textured finish.
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Old 24.02.2013, 21:29
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Re: Plastering a wall ...... question.

THe way I´ve heard it here and from my own unprofessional plastering attempts, it is much harder ,and thus much more expensive to produce a flat, smooth, seamless finish. That´s why the preponderance of that rough finish in swiss homes. Plastering is no joke. I have only produced very rustic results, but I liked not having paid through the nose.
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Re: Plastering a wall ...... question.

If you want it flat then ask for it flat. We had our kitchen redone and just had the walls skimmed to be flat. I hate the lumpy walls. The gipser and our project manager didn't bat an eyelid and when I asked for our ensuite to be the same they had assumed I wanted flat walls in any case. I got the distinct impression that all concerned hated the bumpy ugly walls too.
I would just love to have the rest of the house skimmed now.
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Re: Plastering a wall ...... question.

Thank you everyone for your comments.
Yes, it`s a house, owner renovation. (Owner is a carpenter (Schreiner) so he has no idea of anything to do with cement).

The Schreiner owner has filled in gaps with cement where he cut off the old walls, and this now needs to be plastered to fit in with the rest of the walls.

We had both the young guy and the older guy here last night - and they conversed over the variations, and have come to the conclusion they`ll both work on it, doing just the cut-off wall sections and extending to the nearest corners, and they`ll do the new ceiling too. Seems we`re stuck with the rough walls to match the other walls.

And we`ll then paint all the walls - ourselves, later.

They`ll both do the plastering work - in exchange for being supplied with beer and würst at end of the workday.

Oh something interesting about those bumpy walls - Seems it`s done in houses built with wooden framework (old houses) so plaster doesn`t crack with movement of structure - it`s stronger. (Yet I`ve seen it in modern apartments too! )

Whovever invented the bumpy walls obviously has never had to try and dust cobwebs off them! Or carry laundry baskets up and down stairs - scraping knuckle skin onto walls.
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Re: Plastering a wall ...... question.

How did it work out?
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Aaahh yes ..... it worked out quite nicely.

Sorry, I forgot all about this thread, and hence forgot to come back to it.

I wish I could post a photo of the two Maurers while they were plastering the ceiling - but they`ll sue me (I`m sure)......... because the ceiling was too low for a scaffolding to stand on, and they are both tall guys ...... at the end of the morning they looked like two snowmen! Covered in white plaster, down their faces, chests, arms, legs.

Now the Schreiner owner has put in the bar counter - it all looks very nice.

Next stop is to get an electrician to connect up some ceiling spots, and dimmer switches to the main lights (for those evenings requiring ambience)
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Whovever invented the bumpy walls obviously has never had to try and dust cobwebs off them! Or carry laundry baskets up and down stairs - scraping knuckle skin onto walls.
The plaster is rough unless it is painted. The more it is painted, the smoother it gets.

There are many different types of plaster finish.

My problem is that the rooms where there was wallpaper in our new house have flat walls and I really wanted just to paint them. The walls are concrete and already have a base layer of plaster. But all the painters have told me it is a huge mistake not to put plaster them with and then paint.

So they don't look strange compared to the rest of the house, I pretty much have to stick with the same style plaster.

The paint has also been a topic. I want a washable paint and for some reason painters think this is an odd request.

Luckily most of the the ceilings are wood (oak) and don't need painting.
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