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Plastering a wall ...... question.

Ok, here`s my problem I`m throwing out to EF. Well, not MY problem, but I`m sick of hearing the different "professional" adivice, and O/H is going crazy, not knowing who to believe.

Hahaaa (actually, but I keep hoping a solution will appear so am appealing to anyone who knows about these things to maybe offer a solution?)

So, he removed a wall between the kitchen and diningroom, and now has a piece of roughty filled in with plaster up one wall, and down the other wall.

The other walls have the "rough bubbly Swiss plaster" - and the new pieces need to be matched with this so no dividing line is visible.

One qualified plasterer (young) says he needs to paint some magic stuff over the existing plaster and then plaster to a window so dividing line is not visible.......

The other (more experienced but not working in the trade for last 4 years) says he needs to paint a different magic stuff, then plaster with a 2cm thick stuff over ALL the walls. Which is the least desirable way as it means having a "building site" in house for months!

Now ..... do we believe the young and working in the trade? ... or the experienced older guy?(who no longer works in the trade)

Plus - If one re-plasters the entire walls, why can it not be SMOOTH and WASHABLE? WHY must they plaster with stones?
This room has a Swedish oven that, over the years, deposits a smutty black dust on the walls and ceiling (that cannot be washed off, needs to be painted!)

And then we come to the bathroom. We need to renew the bath. Which means destroying all the wall tiles to get the bath out, which means re-tiling ..... to the same old height and painting, or tiling to the ceiling.

What I cannot understand is WHY they have this rough bubble plaster all over in houses, which cannot be washed? Does this country not know about SMOOTH plaster, and washable paint? (SA style).
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Old 24.02.2013, 18:47
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Re: Plastering a wall ...... question.

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Ok, here`s my problem I`m throwing out to EF. Well, not MY problem, but I`m sick of hearing the different "professional" adivice, and O/H is going crazy, not knowing who to believe.

Hahaaa (actually, but I keep hoping a solution will appear so am appealing to anyone who knows about these things to maybe offer a solution?)

So, he removed a wall between the kitchen and diningroom, and now has a piece of roughly filled in with plaster up one wall, and down the others wall.

The other walls have the "rough bubbly Swiss plaster" - and the new pieces need to be matched with this so no dividing line is visible.

One qualified plasterer (young) says he needs to paint some magic stuff over the existing plaster and then plaster to a window so dividing line is not visible.......

The other (more experienced but not working in the trade for last 4 years) says he needs to paint a different magic stuff, then plaster with a 2cm thick stuff over ALL the walls. Which is the least desirable way as it means having a "building site" in house for months!

Now ..... do we believe the young and working in the trade? ... or the experienced older guy?(who no longer works in the trade)

Plus - If one re-plasters the entire walls, why can it not be SMOOTH and WASHABLE? WHY must they plaster with stones?
This room has a Swedish oven that, over the years, deposits a smutty black dust on the walls and ceiling (that cannot be washed off, needs to be painted!)

And then we come to the bathroom. We need to renew the bath. Which means destroying all the wall tiles to get the bath out, which means re-tiling ..... to the same old height and painting, or tiling to the ceiling.

What I cannot understand is WHY they have this rough bubble plaster all over in houses, which cannot be washed? Does this country not know about SMOOTH plaster, and washable paint? (SA style).
I'm struggling to visualise what is left (after wall removal), and needs covering/plastering, from the above description.

The bubbly "plaster" sounds like 'Marmoran', which is more of a textured paint, than a plaster - although it is applied with a trowel, as opposed to a brush. It should be able to blend to the existing wall covering, although there will be probably be a difference in colour tones, between new and old, so a total complete over painting may be required.

But it is difficult to say exactly, without a clearer description (for me, at least), or a pic.
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Old 24.02.2013, 19:06
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Re: Plastering a wall ...... question.

I would go with the young guy, who is more up to date with what's on the market, assuming you have a fairly new apartment.

I'm going to assume you own your apartment, as you are self-renovating, and as far as I can tell the 'rough' plaster finish is a trend, not serving any real practical purpose. I hate it too - it marks like crazy and I've skinned my elbows more than once from hitting it whilst carrying a child in my arms.

Our apartment has been 'home' renovated by the owner, and we don't have those rough walls...just a strange combination of smooth plasterboard, textured wallpaper that has been painted over, and painted raw concrete.
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Re: Plastering a wall ...... question.

Could you provide us a picture to see exactly what it is?
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Re: Plastering a wall ...... question.

I would go with the younger, he sounds as though he is up to date, In the UK, the magic fluid would be a PVA type adhesive which is painted onto the wall to give the new plaster something to grip onto and seal the under surface. Smooth plaster is not something they like doing here, and I hate the rough textured finish.
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Re: Plastering a wall ...... question.

THe way I´ve heard it here and from my own unprofessional plastering attempts, it is much harder ,and thus much more expensive to produce a flat, smooth, seamless finish. That´s why the preponderance of that rough finish in swiss homes. Plastering is no joke. I have only produced very rustic results, but I liked not having paid through the nose.
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Re: Plastering a wall ...... question.

If you want it flat then ask for it flat. We had our kitchen redone and just had the walls skimmed to be flat. I hate the lumpy walls. The gipser and our project manager didn't bat an eyelid and when I asked for our ensuite to be the same they had assumed I wanted flat walls in any case. I got the distinct impression that all concerned hated the bumpy ugly walls too.
I would just love to have the rest of the house skimmed now.
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