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Penalty for not changing address

Does anyone know what the penalty of not changing your address with the gemeinde is, outside of the nominal 25-30 franc extra fee? Are there any actual serious consequences?
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Old 27.02.2013, 14:10
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Re: Penalty for not changing address

How many days over the permitted number are you?
Did they contact you or did you contact them?
Any other details to share? Were you prompt, polite and apologetic when correcting the problem?
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Old 27.02.2013, 14:13
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How many days over the permitted number are you?
Did they contact you or did you contact them?
Any other details to share? Were you prompt, polite and apologetic when correcting the problem?
Oh I'm asking a hypothetical question here.

Before I had gone 3 months before I changed my address as I was unaware that you had to do it if you moved in the same city, and all I paid was 25 francs and there was nothing else mentioned.

I'm just curious.
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Re: Penalty for not changing address

OK, hypothetically as a non-EU passport and permit holder, you could be ordered to leave the country.
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Re: Penalty for not changing address

not sure when moving within the city.

if you move to another place and you are taxed at source, then this is a tax event.
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Old 27.02.2013, 14:24
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OK, hypothetically as a non-EU passport and permit holder, you could be ordered to leave the country.
Do you have any source for this statement? If so, this is more inline with what I was thinking, as well as the tax statement below.
I'm curious to read the legislature, and I've been looking about for it but couldn't find it discussed.
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Re: Penalty for not changing address

I have a letter from 1995 which proves they can kick you out I'm sure they can still send such letters.
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Re: Penalty for not changing address

They will not kick you out. Are you living in Bern now. Go to the Fremden polizei, say that you moved to your new address. They will give you a bill of 25 CHF and then you are done.

You have 2 options. Admit that you forgot, but I believe you will not get a fine.

Or act forgetful, and you probably will also not be fined.

There is one other option, is to send them an email that you have moved to your new address, and they will update the records and send you a bill. (This is what I did).
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Re: Penalty for not changing address

I got a penalty of 350 CHF last year in Grabaundan for reporting my address late by about 2 months. I had no idea at the time as I was completely new and had just moved from a hotel to a flat.

The officer accepted none of my reasoning and lack of knowledge. Paying was the only option. Hope they show more understanding where you are.
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I got a penalty of 350 CHF last year in Grabaundan for reporting my address late by about 2 months. I had no idea at the time as I was completely new and had just moved from a hotel to a flat.

The officer accepted none of my reasoning and lack of knowledge. Paying was the only option. Hope they show more understanding where you are.
I guess I was wrong . Do you have anybody who is Swiss who can go with you, it might make it easier not to get fined. (It might make no difference, but it is worth a try ).

I have been late, in renewing my Ausländer Ausweis, but I had provided a reason because I was waiting for my passport to be renewed. They didn't have an issue, and said for me to come back, when it arrived.

I guess it really it depends who you get.
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Old 27.02.2013, 15:45
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Re: Penalty for not changing address

My colleague had similar issue. He moved him apartment in October from Bern Geminde to Koniz geminde (which falls in Bern Kanton). However, since his wife was undergoing a passport renewal process right around the same time, he couldn't change the geminde until 3 months after he moved. He deregistered and registered 3 months late from old to new geminde.

He offered explanation and proof that his wife was undergoing passport renewal. He however, was not going any renewal but was travelling and merely 'wanted' to move geminde at the same time with his wife.

Not sure how it went or did he get fined, but sure sounded a bit dangerous to me.
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Re: Penalty for not changing address

I have a similar question - I'm in Basel on a B permit and moved from one temporary accommodation to another temporary accommodation (same city, same canton, no tax difference) while I'm trying to find a more permanent place. I didn't notify them because I hope to find something very soon.

Got a call from the migration office saying they sent me a letter and it went back. I told them that I had moved and the gentleman asked me to mail them the new address.

Does anyone know what I can expect in Basel-Stadt? I'm guessing I may have to pay to have a new permit issued that will only be valid for a few weeks (like my first one)?

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I also saw this in my search:
Changing address with Basel immigration
Changing address in Basel, wanna hear your advice
Maybe I'm not in trouble. But I'd still prefer some reassurance given that the people from the migration control rang me up!
I already sent them an e-mail by the way, stating that I'm between temporary accommodations and giving them my old and current address.
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Old 18.07.2013, 23:33
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Re: Penalty for not changing address

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I have a similar question - I'm in Basel on a B permit and moved from one temporary accommodation to another temporary accommodation (same city, same canton, no tax difference) while I'm trying to find a more permanent place. I didn't notify them because I hope to find something very soon.

Got a call from the migration office saying they sent me a letter and it went back. I told them that I had moved and the gentleman asked me to mail them the new address.

Does anyone know what I can expect in Basel-Stadt? I'm guessing I may have to pay to have a new permit issued that will only be valid for a few weeks (like my first one)?

EDIT:
I also saw this in my search:
Changing address with Basel immigration
Changing address in Basel, wanna hear your advice
Maybe I'm not in trouble. But I'd still prefer some reassurance given that the people from the migration control rang me up!
I already sent them an e-mail by the way, stating that I'm between temporary accommodations and giving them my old and current address.
Yes, you have to pay each time you move even if it's temporary.

It's really easy to notify them: just fill in the following webform:
https://secure.bs.ch/bdm/formulare/c...lb_basel-stadt
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Old 19.07.2013, 10:39
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Re: Penalty for not changing address

The rules here on the French side with changing communes (gemeinde I think the same) is you have to notify the commune you leave within 10 days and the new commune you are going to live in 8 days before you move. We moved only 10 minutes away but the communes are close here.

It's really important that you register, even if you have to pay the fine. It affects your mail delivery, taxes, and to renew your permis it comes from the commune. Not to mention driving license, if you have a dog for declaring, any other things you might need. Eventually they will find out and you might have to pay bigger fees in the end by just not registering.

I suggest you go to your gemeinde and explain. Ours is great and sometimes it is up to them to understand the situation and they may give you a break and shuffle paperwork.
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Yes, you have to pay each time you move even if it's temporary.

It's really easy to notify them: just fill in the following webform:
https://secure.bs.ch/bdm/formulare/c...lb_basel-stadt
Yes, the reply to my e-mail query suggested to use that web form as well - but you replied first
Sadly, I need the admin Wohnungsnumber for that apparently, which I don't have, and my host is out traveling abroad so I can't contact to ask :/

I guess I should have forwarded my mail from my 1st temp. address to the work address as someone else did in another thread, it would avoid the trouble although I guess it is not strictly legal. Probably will have to go to the office in person.

Thanks for the info in any case.
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Re: Penalty for not changing address

In Baselstadt, I registered with my work address when I first arrived, before I had an apartment. Then I forgot about it.

Four and a half years later, I got a 25chf bill to register my change of address to where I live. I paid. No other issues with it.
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Re: Penalty for not changing address

I can actually register my work address? That would be nice!
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I can actually register my work address? That would be nice!
If you leave in the office...

Swiss authorities generally will not fine you a impossible amount of franks for forgetting something, eg change of address. But it can cause problems ... eg they may want to contact you re: your permit expiry, etc etc.

However, if you are foreigner, in some people changing canton must be authorized beforehand (ie your permit says is valid to live only in cantn X).

Also, it you are not taxed at source, then the taxes, tax offices etc may be different at another commune, so you can end up paying incorrectly.
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Yes, the reply to my e-mail query suggested to use that web form as well - but you replied first
Sadly, I need the admin Wohnungsnumber for that apparently, which I don't have, and my host is out traveling abroad so I can't contact to ask :/

I guess I should have forwarded my mail from my 1st temp. address to the work address as someone else did in another thread, it would avoid the trouble although I guess it is not strictly legal. Probably will have to go to the office in person.

Thanks for the info in any case.
If you don't know the Wohnungsnummer (and most people don't, they are a new-fangled invention), just tell them the floor your flat is on, its area and whether it faces the road or not.

They have building plans stored in their computer, and that's normally enough info for them to be able to look it up.
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Re: Penalty for not changing address

An update to this thread. I just got my new permit in the mail (as well as a bill with 25 for the address change, 10 for the new permit, and 1 for the postage).

I'm glad they were a bit lenient with me because it would suck to pay CHF 36 for a place where I've only been a few weeks.
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