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Re: wear & tear in a rented property

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Wondering what peoples experience has been checking out of rented places in terms of wear and tear on wooden floors and painted walls. It seems very much dependant on the reasonableness of a landlord ... but what is the norm?
Unfortunately normal usage is still very subjective but the condition when you moved in is relevant. There should be an inspection report in place. The type and age of the floors, and any maintenance done to them is factored in. As for the paint, when it was last painted is taken into consideration.

Some landlords are very fussy, others less so. Insurance may cover some share of the damage costs but possibly with some exceptions (glass, for example) this is also linked to the age of the item.

In my experience, landlords with newer properties and newly renovated ones will be far less tolerant of wear and tear. Older properties which have been rented out for years are less of a problem as they generally have far more wear and tear particularly if there have been many different tenants over the years.
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Old 19.02.2014, 18:36
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write off periods rental flat

Hi,
The response may be hidden in the 1000s threads of this forum....
I heard that there is a table which is used by landlords and insurance companies to calculate the 'write off periods' for various things in rented flats (floors, walls, kitchens etc...) when someone is moving out from a rental flat. Where can I find this info in English or French for Basel-land (if canton specific) so that I can anticipate my future move and potential costs for ware and tare...


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Old 19.02.2014, 18:45
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Re: wear & tear in a rented property

Hi Daiquiri - it was hidden under wear and tear, instead of ware and tare. I have merged your post into this thread, and you'll see a few links that should help.
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Re: Normal wear and tear in apartment

Thanks 3Wishes...obviously my English needs some improvement..
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Re: Normal wear and tear in apartment

I'm also in the process of moving out, in about a month - I was assessing the apartment today and noticed some areas of sun damage on the hardwood floor next to a few rugs. They aren't dramatic, but are noticeable if you're looking at the area. I know if the walls are faded because of the sun damage (e.g., because of furniture, pictures), that is considered normal wear and tear. Is it the same for floors?
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Re: wear & tear in a rented property

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We are due to move out soon and we had a chat with the landlord and he seemed to be quite practical about wear and tear. We keep good care of the apartment but there is normal wear and tear after 3 years. However, as Sandgrounder shows, this (like all things in Switzerland!) is very regulated. If you have issues with your landlord and feel he is being unreasonable there are unions which can help
Thanks for these insights-- how would these unions be found for a non-German speaker? I'm curious because I currently lease my apartment through an agency, and there have been a few difficulties in the past with communication, extra hidden charges, etc. I've been thinking of moving because of the frustrations.

When I moved in, there were certain very small details that were not reported on the inspection sheet. Now, I have seen then (for example, a small crack on the door handle to the balcony). Should I report this somewhere? Try to fix it myself? Or, wait until I vacate the apartment?

Advice, and name of a reputable cleaning agency/person, is much appreciated!
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Re: Returning a furnished sublet apartment, normal wear and tear?

what about scratches on the wall. must we paint them also before leaving?
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What is regarded as fair wear and tear?

Hi there
I am leaving my apartment soon and am anticipating that the crazy landlord will be looking at every little scratch and be charging me for this. Is there such a thing as fair wear and tear in Switzerland or do you have to put back exactly as you got it....
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Re: What is regarded as fair wear and tear?

In the short term, it should be given back in the condition you received it in. You did have a written handover protocol didn't you?

Why not use the search function, and read the previous postings?
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Re: What is regarded as fair wear and tear?

Have a look at the Mieterverband website there is a link on there somewhere with details of normal wear and tear.
In fact join the Mieterverband and the will help you with the handover process. I would always recommend joking the tenants association wherever you live ( it's called ASLOCA in the French speaking part) it's not expensive and could prove very worthwhile to have in case of disputes with the landlords at any time.
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Re: What is regarded as fair wear and tear?

good idea - i am new to this and the contract is ambiguous so trying to get a feel for what to expect gulp... Thanks for the advice.
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Wear and tear?

Hi All,

I'm about to move out of my flat and am curious if I will get my deposit back. My flat was newly renovated when I moved in 2.5 years ago. Since I moved in I put a small dent in the linoleum floor, a hairline crack in the glass-composite counter top, and more noticeable crack in a kitchen tile. Honestly, I don't recall how the kitchen tile cracked, I assumed the sub-floor flexed (no fault of my own). In any event, I'm curious if any of this damage would fall under good old wear and tear, that is, assuming such a concept exists in Zürich.

And no, I don't have liability insurance that would cover the damage.

Thanks for any insight, similar experiences.
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Re: Wear and tear?

Even to me that sounds like a lot of damage ;.).
Be prepared for the bill, unless you can provide reasons as to how the damages occurred "naturally".
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Re: Wear and tear?

Would you believe the glass-composite kitchen counter was not sous-vide cooking safe? It seems an 85C stainless steel stock pot can be particularly damaging -- who knew?
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Re: Wear and tear?

Probably wasn't the temperature that broke it, you might have slammed the pot on it a bit harshly.
Anyway it's not wear and tear, maybe the hole in the linoleum floor you could try to repair, but the rest is damage you could have done even if you stayed for a week in the apartment.
For the tile it might be an underfloor problem yes but i don't think one tile is too expensive if they have some stock somewhere.
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How to proceed with wear and tear damage?

Hi,

I think similar cases were already discussed in this forum but I can't find exactly the answer that I need.

I'm going to move out from the apartment and I'm wondering what I should do with damages which in my opinion are normal 'wear and tear' in the apartment. I mean there are some scratches on the floor and ceramic stove (from cleaning and moving pots). Scratches on the floor are barely visible - you can notice them if you look carefully in the good light, those on stove are visible more but they don't affect normal usage.

Should we first inform insurance company or agency? I assume we should do this before final inspection.
Regarding insurance company, do they pay for this only in case of a special accident? Or also for wear and tear? Should I send also pictures to them?


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Re: How to proceed with wear and tear damage?

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Hi,

I think similar cases were already discussed in this forum but I can't find exactly the answer that I need.

I'm going to move out from the apartment and I'm wondering what I should do with damages which in my opinion are normal 'wear and tear' in the apartment. I mean there are some scratches on the floor and ceramic stove (from cleaning and moving pots). Scratches on the floor are barely visible - you can notice them if you look carefully in the good light, those on stove are visible more but they don't affect normal usage.

Should we first inform insurance company or agency? I assume we should do this before final inspection.
Regarding insurance company, do they pay for this only in case of a special accident? Or also for wear and tear? Should I send also pictures to them?


Thanks and regards,
Alekk
Take good photos of what you think might be a problem. Wait what the landlord says. Make sure the end-protocol is detailed.
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Re: How to proceed with wear and tear damage?

Get the flat cleaned by a company that guarantees the handover.
Take photos before the hand-over. The floor should not be a problem. Ceramic hobs are difficult to scratch Insurance may pay if the landlord claims for that. Are you sure it is a scratch?
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Re: How to proceed with wear and tear damage?

Join the Mieterverband in Zurich.

Clean everything so it looks new, but worn is OK. Hide the floor wood scratches with brown shoe polish.

Wait for inspection report at handover, keep this document!

Then claim from insurance for breakages, remembering that usually you have to pay the first Sfr 200,--
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Re: How to proceed with wear and tear damage?

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Get the flat cleaned by a company that guarantees the handover.
Take photos before the hand-over. The floor should not be a problem. Ceramic hobs are difficult to scratch Insurance may pay if the landlord claims for that. Are you sure it is a scratch?
I think they're scratched, only little bit but still visible.
I've heard somewhere before that I need to inform insurance company first and they will pay only in case of accident which is raised immidiately. But as I can see from all reponses, it should be ok if we wait for a landlord claim and then inform insurance company.

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