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Bern apart search hard -consider Thun? Could I find a flat in Bern for 1600 total?

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I really want to live in Berne. (I live in Vaud) Last week I organised two visit days.

Each visit had a lot of people and on my huge list of places to call, around 80% had been rented when I called.

I am wondering if there is a housing shortage in Bern. Housing crisis even?

I am going to visit several tomorrow. If I don't get anything I am considering Thun. It looks like you get a lot more for your money there, it's pretty, and 25 mins from Bern. I am hesitant though as originally I wanted Bern.

What are your thoughts on the housing market in Berne? Personal experiences? How long did it take you to find where you are now? Do you think I can find a 2 - 3 pieces minimum 50m2 for under 1'600 charges incl?

If you read my last post you will know I was looking in Breitenrain or Langgasse. By the amount of people at the visits I think I have to give up those area. I am looking now at any region except 3013 and 3027. And considering Thun, though am not sure. Any help or advice greatly appreciated

Thanks for your answers in advance
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Re: Bern apart search hard -consider Thun? Could I find a flat in Bern for 1600 total

Any particular reason for Bern/Thun? Do you specifically want to live in a German-speaking area? If not, have you considred Fribourg, the housing market here isn't as competitive as Bern and you're only 25 mins from Bern on the train?
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Thanks for your response!

Actually the Swiss German language is a negative! We speak (my son and I)
French and English only. I figured we'd get by on that and take language course when I moved to Bern, possibly before.

I really like Bern I find it pretty and big enough yet not too hectic. I want to live somewhere bigger and busier than where I live, Montreux and in a bigger apartment. The housing market is ludicrous here and I have been looking for a 3 pieces for a year.
(over 100 visits and applications)

Fribourg - I find it kind of grim looking when I look at the images of apartments on homegate and immscout24. I also spent a day there quite a while ago and didn't think much of the place. Did I miss something? Is it a nice place?

Did you suggest Fribourg because yes Bern has a tough housing market?

Thanks again for your help. :-)
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Ps I know Thun is very small but I visited once and thought it was gorgeous. Simply very beautiful! Although it's definately not my first choice, I really really hope to find something in Bern.
After posting my first questions I got a few replies to my email for visiting more aparts in Bern tomorrow so that's good :-)
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Re: Bern apart search hard -consider Thun? Could I find a flat in Bern for 1600 total

The two areas you mentioned before are very busy with students and it is not easy to find housing there.

I would skip as well area 3018 from my search

For 1600 CHF you can find a good 2 - 3 rooms apartment in Bern, you just need to have patience until you find what suits you.

I see you already know homegate this is what I was going to recommend you to follow.

Thun and Speiz are very nice and yes as you say it is very easy to reach Bern from there, if I am selecting between Thun and Bern, I will choose Bern, and if I am choosing between Thun and Speiz I will go for Speiz, it is 7 min from Thun.
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Re: Bern apart search hard -consider Thun? Could I find a flat in Bern for 1600 total

Where are you going to be working seems to be the main question that's missing here. If it's still Geneva then Thun is too far away. Even Bern's a long commute to/from Geneva every day.

Fribourg has both French and Germany speaking parts so you'll hear both languages more than you will in Bern/Thun. Yes, the main part of the city is modern, but the old town is quite pretty.
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Thanks for your response!

Actually the Swiss German language is a negative! We speak (my son and I)
French and English only. I figured we'd get by on that and take language course when I moved to Bern, possibly before.

I really like Bern I find it pretty and big enough yet not too hectic. I want to live somewhere bigger and busier than where I live, Montreux and in a bigger apartment. The housing market is ludicrous here and I have been looking for a 3 pieces for a year.
(over 100 visits and applications)

Fribourg - I find it kind of grim looking when I look at the images of apartments on homegate and immscout24. I also spent a day there quite a while ago and didn't think much of the place. Did I miss something? Is it a nice place?

Did you suggest Fribourg because yes Bern has a tough housing market?

Thanks again for your help. :-)
I suggested Fribourg because it is a rather nice place to live.
Grim looking? Did you explore the old town area down by the river? It's far prettier than Bern (IMHO). Yes it has modern appartments and built-up areas just like any other Swiss city, but it is cheaper than Bern and the housing market is much more fluid.
Then again, we have been in Fribourg for 18 years, so I'm biased .
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Actually the Swiss German language is a negative!
Have you considered Neuchâtel? Beautiful location on the lake, french speaking population and the housing market is not as crazy as on the arc lémanique.
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I didn't actually visit the old town of Fribourg when I visited. - I think I just got unlucky with the area I had to go to that day in Fribourg, I shouldn't be so quick to judge

Having said that I do want to rule out Fribourg, Neuchatel, and even Thun.
I want to be in Bern and I am just going to have to be patient...

There seems to be many affordable places in 3007 Bern, am visiting some tomorrow. Maybe the area is not sought after as there is the most amount of apartments there for under 1'600 (2 to 3 pieces)

Any opinions on 3007 greatly appreciated.

By the way I work from home, so all I need is net connection. :-)
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Any opinions on 3007 greatly appreciated.
The area 3007 includes some places, for example if you are talking about Monbijou, this is considered the most expensive rentals in Bern city but still you can find something for the budget you mentioned.

If you are talking about the area near to the Tierpark and the river, this is as well full of embassies and looks quiet luxurious.

In Summary it is quiet central and nice area, and yes I believe you can find something for the budget you estimated.

By the way Bern is officially bilingual, so French should work, but to be honest German (Berndeutsch) is dominating everywhere.
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Re: Bern apart search hard -consider Thun? Could I find a flat in Bern for 1600 total

If you are working in Bern, then you need to consider the commuting aspects, and from Thun it is very busy.

Neuchâtel is fine too, but has very high taxes.

Fribourg is a good compromise for someone not speaking German: it is bi-lingual and parts are very beautiful. Taxes are moderate.

If you want pretty places near Bern, try also looking at Laupen, Murten and Estavayer le Lac.
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Fribourg - I find it kind of grim looking when I look at the images of apartments on homegate and immscout24. I also spent a day there quite a while ago and didn't think much of the place. Did I miss something? Is it a nice place?

Did you suggest Fribourg because yes Bern has a tough housing market?

Thanks again for your help. :-)
Fribourg grim looking??? It's stunningly beautiful, fun, laid back and bi-lingual. Yikes, I think I should move there!

You can get a 3 pcs for 1600 in the nice outskirts like Gland Sur Villars, which isn't gorgeous but it's pretty, lots of people around and convenient. But I'd live IN the old town if I could. Go back to Fribourg and have a look.

From Vaud, you'll get a shock on your taxes if you move to Neuchatel or Bern. Fribourg and Vaud are better options tax-wise.
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Re: Bern apart search hard -consider Thun? Could I find a flat in Bern for 1600 total

If you have your heart set on Bern, there are plenty of suburbs that might fit the bill without having to go all the way to Thun. Try Köniz, for example. They've won awards for their housing developments.

Agree with Medea - even though you think you'd love Bern, do consider the commute. You'll miss out on some quality of life and enjoyment of the city if you're on the train for 3 hours every day.
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Agree with Medea - even though you think you'd love Bern, do consider the commute. You'll miss out on some quality of life and enjoyment of the city if you're on the train for 3 hours every day.
But she said she works from home so commuting is not an issue.

What I'm finding it hard to get my head around is that somebody would uproot themselves and their child to go and live in a town where neither of them speaks the language just because it's pretty.

As French speakers I would say that Fribourg is a much better option than Bern and in my opinion is also prettier. I too would discount Neuchatel because of the taxes.

Have you considered schooling for your child if you move to Bern. It will all be in German/Swiss German.
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But she said she works from home so commuting is not an issue.

What I'm finding it hard to get my head around is that somebody would uproot themselves and their child to go and live in a town where neither of them speaks the language just because it's pretty.

As French speakers I would say that Fribourg is a much better option than Bern and in my opinion is also prettier. I too would discount Neuchatel because of the taxes.

Have you considered schooling for your child if you move to Bern. It will all be in German/Swiss German.
Absolutely. I think Bern is technically bi-lingual (no? or maybe just canton not city?). But I rarely find people speak French with me. Needs to always be in English.
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Absolutely. I think Bern is technically bi-lingual (no? or maybe just canton not city?). But I rarely find people speak French with me. Needs to always be in English.
When I first came to Bern I used French over English for months, almost everyone spoke it to some degree. That being said, I wouldn't call it Bi-lingual like Biel, Bärndütsch is the clear language of the streets.
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But she said she works from home so commuting is not an issue.

What I'm finding it hard to get my head around is that somebody would uproot themselves and their child to go and live in a town where neither of them speaks the language just because it's pretty.

As French speakers I would say that Fribourg is a much better option than Bern and in my opinion is also prettier. I too would discount Neuchatel because of the taxes.

Have you considered schooling for your child if you move to Bern. It will all be in German/Swiss German.
We had neighbors in Belp from Senegal, i think. Anyway, their son went to a French school somewhere in Bern, so i think it's feasible, although you'd really need to learn German eventually. I don't know where the school was and whether it was private or not.
Bern is very pretty - we lived outside Bern- in Belp - for nearly 5 years but moved when my husband changed jobs. Where we live now isn't as unique or pretty, but better in many other ways. You have lots of flexibility if you work at home - as lovely as Bern is, it might be a hassle.
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Fribourg grim looking??? It's stunningly beautiful, fun, laid back and bi-lingual. Yikes, I think I should move there!

You can get a 3 pcs for 1600 in the nice outskirts like Gland Sur Villars, which isn't gorgeous but it's pretty, lots of people around and convenient. But I'd live IN the old town if I could. Go back to Fribourg and have a look.

From Vaud, you'll get a shock on your taxes if you move to Neuchatel or Bern. Fribourg and Vaud are better options tax-wise.
That would be Villars-sur-Glâne
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Re: Bern apart search hard -consider Thun? Could I find a flat in Bern for 1600 total

We arrived in Bern 6 months ago and found it very, very difficult to find an apartment. We spent 3 months looking at loads of places all over town and got so demoralised we too started thinking about Thun. We got offered a place very quickly in Thun but almost at the same time got offered somewhere in Bern as well. We wanted to stay in Bern so took that place but ended up paying a lot more than we would have liked. From discussions with other people it seems the only way to secure a place is to sell yourself - meet with the agent, schmooze, and even then no guarantees. We couldn't face all that so upped the budget instead.
Sorry if you find this discouraging but perhaps if you have more time and energy you'll have more luck. But you're right in thinking the housing market in Bern is really tough. I agree that Thun is gorgeous and I have a colleague living there who loves it.
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When I first came to Bern I used French over English for months, almost everyone spoke it to some degree. That being said, I wouldn't call it Bi-lingual like Biel, Bärndütsch is the clear language of the streets.
You were lucky I guess. I always start with French and most people I run into in Bern do not speak French.

Biel, yes. I've never had a problem speaking French there. It's quite amazing how just about everyone is truly bi-lingual.

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