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Retirement Home Lausanne or Evian

Can anyone please offer advice. I'm moving with my wife to Lausanne and we want to bring my dad with us. He's 82, not very mobile though can walk say 20 yards at a time and has dialysis three times a week. He speaks French and wants to come.

Any recommendations of retirement homes please? I'm thinking the ideal would be somewhere he has his own small flat with communal dining area. I'm guessing that france, so Evian would work better costs-wise for healthcare?
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Re: Retirement Home Lausanne or Evian

Pro Senectute is an organization for seniors - this would be a good place to start your search. The Vaud group is here:
http://www.vd.pro-senectute.ch

And, a guide that may be of help:
http://issuu.com/ineditpublications/...616105/2727336



I'm afraid I can't help re: the Lausanne area (I've been researching this only in SZ), but just a heads up: have you looked into the cost?

In SZ - and I assume a similar system in other cantons - prices for community-run residential care homes are based on citizenship, permit type, years of residency in the canton/commune. As the commune-run residences receive support (the money comes from your taxes) a higher rate is charged to residents who have not been paying taxes in the community. Makes sense.

There are also many private care homes, prices will vary.

Now - the good news is that the Swiss basic insurance (your father will be required to take this out) does indeed pick up some of the cost, for both community run and private care homes. The new Pflegefinanzierung system, insurance picks up from CHF 9 to CHF 108 per day. Much depends on exactly what your father will need.

But there are still significant costs for which the patient/family will be responsible.

Be aware that adult children have an 'Unterstutzungspflicht' - you will be required to help finance your father's care if he cannot finance it himself.

A publication explaining the new law on financing Pflegeheim care (Swiss-wide):
http://www.curaviva.ch/index.cfm/48A...FFD3D1&lang=fr

(The above is in relation to costs associated with assisted living services. Medical care is separate, covered under the resident's basic insurance. How much out of pocket is required depends on which model/franchise chosen. .)

All the Altersheime I have contacted have been very informative about financing issues. Once you find a residence that looks appealing, ask for a meeting to discuss finances.

I would suggest getting in touch with Pro Senectute in the first instance - they will be able to direct you to the right people for further information.



ETA:

All the Altersheim I have contacted have waiting lists. If after your initial research bringing your father here looks to be a possibility and if finding a place is a matter of some urgency consider getting on several waiting lists. Some will require a deposit to be placed on the list. Make sure you understand availablility and the relevant admissions policies when speaking to each residence.



Wishing you and your father all the best.

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Re: Retirement Home Lausanne or Evian

Another thought - would care in his own home be a possibility?

I picked up a brochure at the Gemeindehaus from a group called Homecare, who provide assisted living services in the senior's home:
http://www.homecare.ch/?id=2&L=1

I don't know anything about this organization other than what I have read, but you might want to look into this as a option. I see there is a contact number for Lausanne.


Also look into Spitex services. In VD I believe they are:
http://www.avasad.ch/jcms/m_7371/en/accueil
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Re: Retirement Home Lausanne or Evian

I think you know this, but Lausanne = Switzerland and Evian = France.

So there will likely be big differnces in health care, insurance, eldercare, social services, and bureacracy. They are two entirely different systems. From what I have been seeing in neighboring France, most of the healthcare workers are now working in CH for better salaries and better conditions, do not know what that means for the state of french healhcare, but probably not good. Evian is very much a tourist town, not sure what is on offer for weekly dialysis visits or elderly homes. Lausanne likely has facilities but not sure if they are available to a newly arrived foreigner, i.e. most elder homes face waiting lists as demand outstrips supply. Many places are adding them now, but it is very commune dependent, i.e. if you live in a commune that has one that is good, but if not, then out of town ones may give preferences to own residences. A bit of investigating to be done I think.

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Re: Retirement Home Lausanne or Evian

Another point to bring up: I assume that the OP's father is also an EU citizen, which I believe makes the permit process easier.

For non-EU citizens who might be reading this thread: Be aware that there are significant hurdles to bringing an non-EU dependent parent to Switzerland. The first hurdle is proving dependency (there are several threads on this topic), another is finances.

In cases where a person resident in the community (and family with Unterstutzungspflicht) cannot afford Altersheim care, the Gemeinde picks up a portion of the cost. However, communities naturally want to ensure that they are not allowing someone to settle here who is likely become a burden on the community's resources without having contributed to the community (i.e., paid taxes) over the years.

So - be prepared to show that you or your parent have the resources on hand to finance care.

I don't know anything about EU permits, so I'll leave that to someone else.
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Re: Retirement Home Lausanne or Evian

Another thought - and I'm not being morbid, just practical - have you thought about what happens when he passes away? Would you/he want him to be buried in the UK? The costs of getting him back home could be considerable.
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Re: Retirement Home Lausanne or Evian

Another thing to think about. Again not sure why Evian?, but if you are living in Lausanne, he probably wants to come to be close to you. Living in Evian is living in another country, and not exactly the most convenient to Lausanne. If he is comfortable where he is, staying put may be more amenable to everyone. For Evian, while there are some boat services across the lake, these get significantly reduced in winter. Driving around the lake could take ages, espeically at rush hours. What if he has a medical emergency, it isn't really like someone is living next door to him.
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Re: Retirement Home Lausanne or Evian

Thanks to you all for your advice. Been visiting my father so not had access to the forum for a few days. Will have a good read of the links over the next couple of days though. There are definitely some challenges but talking it through with my father it seems like the best option for us all so just keen to find the best way to make it happen. Thanks again and please keep posting your advice if anything else occurs to you.
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Re: Retirement Home Lausanne or Evian

Evian... the answer is in the slogan!

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However, on a serious note... If I was to retire somewhere... I would go down to the Piemont.
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Re: Retirement Home Lausanne or Evian

Ahhh I really feel for you. Having looked after my parents for so many years, them living in CH and me in the UK- it was so so hard.

Moving someone from their familiar surroundings and friends at that age- even if they are positive about it- is a HUGE wrench though.

From the health insurance point of view and costs, enormous differences between France and Switzerland too, and so complicated. Is your dad from EU country? The cost in Switzerland is ginormous for OAP home + compulsory health insurance. My parents savings disappeared like butter in the sun in a very short time. In CH, for Swiss citizens, the Gvt picks up the tab for OAP homes when savings are gone in most Cantons, although in Bern relatives are often expected to pick up the bill. A mine field.
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Re: Retirement Home Lausanne or Evian

Thank you all again for your replies and advice. Have done some looking around and found a couple of places in Montreux which look good, the Residence Bristol and the Nova Vita, does anyone have direct experience of either please?

My dad is British and was married to my French mum for 49 years so speaks good French.
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Re: Retirement Home Lausanne or Evian

If he speaks good French, that would be a huge help. Those places look good, but I imagine Montreux would be hugely expensive- have you checked the rates there? You might do much better going a bit further inland, towards Bulle or Fribourg, or Cossonay (Gros de Vaud/pied du Jura area). Montreux is a wonderful place for multi-millionaires.

Even here in the Neuchatel rural Jura, my parents savings melted like snow in the sunshine when they went into an simple OAP home. As Swiss citizens, the bill would have been then picked up by the State, but if not Swiss, you as their next of kin would become responsible for paying bills when savings gone.
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Re: Retirement Home Lausanne or Evian

Having been through this with my father-in-law, I sympathise. He was French and from Chamonix, so the situation was easier. He passed away in a nice retirement home in Megeve a couple of months ago.

Here are the private homes in and near Evian. All have full time medical care, which is essential for later, even if you don't need it now.

http://www.pagesjaunes.fr/annuaire/e...sements-prives

The waiting list can be a problem, as locals usually have priority. Still, I think the idea is worth considering. Good luck!
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