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Old 31.10.2013, 10:40
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Electricity Prices - UK v. Switzerland

With all the hoo-hah in the UK at the moment about energy prices, I though I had better take a look at what I am being skinned for in Switzerland.

For those who have not been following this: in the UK the supply of electricity and gas was privatised some years ago and consumers can buy their energy from dozens of competing supplier - or so the theory goes. But the reality is that energy prices have been going up at around 10% a year for the last few years with another 10%. "Green charges" and the international wholesale market prices are blamed.

Here was have only one choice: EKZ (Elektrzitäswerke des Kantons Zürich) or candles. Between may 2012 and May 2013 we use 7,167 kWh (kilowatt hours) of electricity. (This excludes an electric heat pump for heating.) The cost of this amount was:

CHF 573.46 - for 7,167 kWh of electricity
CHF 433.01 - for "delivery and infrastructure"

There are various additions and subtractions for things like "bonus 6%" and "water protection" and 8% VAT the years total was:

CHF 1,043.72

This is for a 5.5 room 160 sq metre detached house.

I ran our kWh usage through energyhelpline.com for the UK and there were dozens of results. Converting at a generous CHF1.40 to the £ their prices ranged from:

CHF1,303 to CHF1,786 17% to 71% MORE!

And you though Switzerland was expensive!

By the way the annual bill for heating with an air warm pump was CHF582.

To rub salt in Britain's wounds, the EKZ have just advised they will be reducing their charges (slightly) for 2014...
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Old 31.10.2013, 10:48
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With all the hoo-hah in the UK at the moment about energy prices, I though I had better take a look at what I am being skinned for in Switzerland.

For those who have not been following this: in the UK the supply of electricity and gas was privatised some years ago and consumers can buy their energy from dozens of competing supplier - or so the theory goes. But the reality is that energy prices have been going up at around 10% a year for the last few years with another 10%. "Green charges" and the international wholesale market prices are blamed.

Here was have only one choice: EKZ (Elektrzitäswerke des Kantons Zürich) or candles. Between may 2012 and May 2013 we use 7,167 kWh (kilowatt hours) of electricity. (This excludes an electric heat pump for heating.) The cost of this amount was:

CHF 573.46 - for 7,167 kWh of electricity
CHF 433.01 - for "delivery and infrastructure"

There are various additions and subtractions for things like "bonus 6%" and "water protection" and 8% VAT the years total was:

CHF 1,043.72

This is for a 5.5 room 160 sq metre detached house.

I ran our kWh usage through energyhelpline.com for the UK and there were dozens of results. Converting at a generous CHF1.40 to the £ their prices ranged from:

CHF1,303 to CHF1,786 17% to 71% MORE!

And you though Switzerland was expensive!

By the way the annual bill for heating with an air warm pump was CHF582.

To rub salt in Britain's wounds, the EKZ have just advised they will be reducing their charges (slightly) for 2014...
TBH you do have a choice as to how much you pay in ZH for electricity, it depends on how Green you want your power.
http://www.ekz.ch/content/ekz/de/pri...den/strom.html
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Old 31.10.2013, 10:50
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Re: Electricity Prices - UK v. Switzerland

Luckily almost everything else is a lot cheaper in the UK.

Prices are going up by about 5% in Neuchatel for next year.
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Old 31.10.2013, 10:53
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Luckily almost everything else is a lot cheaper in the UK
Taxes are substantially higher if your working, Higher education costs are cheaper (free) in CH. Of course when the exchange rate was 2.60 to £ everything was cheaper & salaries were lower in CH.
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TBH you do have a choice as to how much you pay in ZH for electricity, it depends on how Green you want your power.
http://www.ekz.ch/content/ekz/de/pri...den/strom.html
Quite so. Our very Swiss neighbours in an identical house are on the Naturstrom option. They wear pullovers in winter and keep their house temperature bellow 22° (we are 22.5° absolute-minimum-and higher-whenever-possible people). They used 6,670 kWh and it cost them CHF 1,347.

But at least we have a choice whether to pay the "Green Levy" or not...
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Taxes are substantially higher if your working, Higher education costs are cheaper (free) in CH. Of course when the exchange rate was 2.60 to £ everything was cheaper & salaries were lower in CH.
Higher education costs are free in Scotland as well.
As well as no prescription charges.

I don't mind higher tax as long as it means less hidden charges, such as health insurance...which I know you hate paying as well
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Higher education costs are free in Scotland as well.
As well as no prescription charges.

I don't mind higher tax as long as it means less hidden charges, such as health insurance...which I know you hate paying as well
I don't know how that law was passed, when I first came to CH there was no requirement to have any health insurance.
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I don't know how that law was passed, when I first came to CH there was no requirement to have any health insurance.
I've paid about 10k in premiums since I've been in Switzerland and been to the doctor once.

Even if I feel I should go to the doctor (ear infection) I pass because I know that between the doctors appointment and antibiotics and any follow ups I will be down about 200CHF.
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I've paid about 10k in premiums since I've been in Switzerland and been to the doctor once.

Even if I feel I should go to the doctor (ear infection) I pass because I know that between the doctors appointment and antibiotics and any follow ups I will be down about 200CHF.
Have a bigger excess...........Pop over the border to France Dr will charge 22 euro for an appointment, ok you pay the medication as well.
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Have a bigger excess...........Pop over the border to France Dr will charge 22 euro for an appointment, ok you pay the medication as well.
That's a 2500 excess.
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Re: Electricity Prices - UK v. Switzerland

As we now everything is cheaper in Waldshut. Right?
Except for electricity AbFabs 7167 kWh costs at least EUR 1348 (CHF 1662)
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I don't know how that law was passed, when I first came to CH there was no requirement to have any health insurance.
Passed by popular vote (51.8%) Dezember 4 1994.
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I've paid about 10k in premiums since I've been in Switzerland and been to the doctor once.

Even if I feel I should go to the doctor (ear infection) I pass because I know that between the doctors appointment and antibiotics and any follow ups I will be down about 200CHF.
In work we are given the time off, so I guess we are lucky.

I tend not ot visit the doctor though because he gives oh so many drugs for anything and everything! Plus, thankfully I havent actually been sick this year. Lucky me!
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Re: Electricity Prices - UK v. Switzerland

Germans are dismantling several nuclear power plants (that costs tons of money) and heavily subsidized solar panels, creating the world largest market for them a a whole new industry in China. Someone has to pay for all this. Now Switzerland decided to shut down one nuclear power plant, and Beznau is the world-record setting oldest still active one, so there will two of them needing massive investments. That will surely be reflected in electricity bills.
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Germans are dismantling several nuclear power plants (that costs tons of money) and heavily subsidized solar panels, creating the world largest market for them a a whole new industry in China. Someone has to pay for all this. Now Switzerland decided to shut down one nuclear power plant, and Beznau is the world-record setting oldest still active one, so there will two of them needing massive investments. That will surely be reflected in electricity bills.
hopefully the germans will come to their senses and turn them back on again.

i think only china and france can really build nuclear power stations now. and only china can build them on time and on budget.
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