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miniMia 22.02.2008 12:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by swinburne (Post 177417)
Thank you for that, I worry because I do not totally trust the owner and he is bound to get the bare minimum done before he hands over the house. I do not know the electrician that he used, but I know he was local and I have checked to see if he is on the register for the approved electrical inspectors and he isn't. I am sure the Owner just wants us to take his word for it that everything is OK. Before we signed the Acte the Agent knew the electrics were dodgey in the Chalet so he made sure that a clause was written in the acte that the electrics had to of legal standard before we took on the Chalet. This I presume means that if it isn't done by the 1st April we could get out of the agreement or hold money back until it is done.
I have emailed the Notaire telling him that we want an independant inspection done and given him the url of the registered electricians in the area. I will let you know what they say when they get back to me.
Thanks again for you help
Swinburne

I wouldn't get the same person who did the work to inspect the work. Like I said before, the previous owner of our house was an electrician, but there were still some little things that need to be fixed.

Rahip 22.02.2008 18:13

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Now I'm understanding the confusion. You have this in the contract, this is not a mandatory safety inspection.

Get the owner to hire somebody on the list to check it. Maybe tell him otherwise you're having it done at his cost. Somehow he has to proof that the work has been properly done.

Rahip


P.s. Even if you have to pay it on your own first this is a small thing. About one hour of work should be around 200.-sFr depending on the distance to the electrician. Then you have proof and he has to fix it..

swinburne 22.02.2008 20:11

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Hi
I have just had a reply from the Commune and this is what they said, it was in French but I used Google translate
Hello,

'The seller is responsible to carry out the inspection of the electrical installation. Indeed, it is mandatory to obtain a certificate of a licensed electrician for your records.

You can submit this certification to control if desired. The information comes from our Vice President who made those checks in his professional setting. '

I have emailed the Notaire and he emailed me back saying we will have an official inspection and he isn't going to hand over any money unless we are happy, eg got the certificate.
We are getting there, thanks everybody
Swinburne

J_T 22.02.2008 20:32

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Congratulations!

Snoopy 24.02.2008 10:14

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The actual law is that houses must have their electrics checked every twenty years. However, if a house is being sold and it has not been checked within the past 5 years it must be checked again. There is no stipulation as far as I could make out that the seller must pay, although that certainly sounds like the most sensible course of action.

The law itself is called:

Ordonnance du 7 novembre 2001 sur les installations électriques à basse tension (Ordonnance sur les installations à basse tension, OIBT)

and the reference number is: 734.27

Can be looked at here:

http://www.admin.ch/ch/f/rs/c734_27.html

swinburne 08.03.2008 22:23

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Hi
I was the one that posted the original thread here. The next installment is that I have heard from the electrician who has made the repairs to the Chalet. He has sent me a letter in french telling me what work he has carried out. There is also an official looking document which is the 'Rapport de scurite de l'installation eletrique (RS)'. I think this looks like the right document that we need. One question I do have is that when I looked at the list of registered electricians to carry out this work in the area I could not find him. I know that he is well respected and seems to carry out all the electrics in the village, he is mentioned on the Commune website. The original owner employed him to carry out the work and he was paid by the orginal owner. Do you think we will be OK or should be get a second opinion or do you think I am being a bit picky. look forward to hearing from you soon
Swinburne

swinburne 08.03.2008 22:28

Re: Proof of safe electrics before we buy house
 
Hi
I was the one that posted the original thread here. The next installment is that I have heard from the electrician who has made the repairs to the Chalet. He has sent me a letter in french telling me what work he has carried out. There is also an official looking document which is the 'Rapport de scurite de l'installation eletrique (RS)'. I think this looks like the right document that we need. One question I do have is that when I looked at the list of registered electricians to carry out this work in the area I could not find him. I know that he is well respected and seems to carry out all the electrics in the village, he is mentioned on the Commune website. The original owner employed him to carry out the work and he was paid by the orginal owner. Do you think we will be OK or should be get a second opinion or do you think I am being a bit picky. look forward to hearing from you soon
Swinburne

J_T 08.03.2008 22:40

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I would say if the electrician proclaimed the house to be correctly wired according to the building code, he most likely has the license to do that, and in any case, he has to warranty the work and the report. I also don't think the Commune would list some unlicensed handyman in that capacity.

Snoopy 08.03.2008 22:47

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In the Valais everything is a little mafia-like isn't it? :)
The guy may not be officially on the list, but he may be acceptable as far as the local authorities are concerned, well unoffically anyway.

How many electricians are there in Vercorin anyway? I noticed that there is one guy in Vercorin who is eligible to check installations. It wasn't him that did it?

But if you need to be sure the best place to ask is your power (electricity) provider. I believe that they are responsible for enforcing the law.

Otherwise my advice is lay doggo and hope that the paper is good enough:)

swinburne 08.03.2008 23:11

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It's the Mafia that I worry about! That is why I am being cautious and dotting the i's and crossing the t's. The Electrician that was used was M.Main from down the valley. I have written to the electric company to tell them that we are taking over the electrics on the 1st April, should I write again and ask them to inspect the Chalet before the 1st April, we are running short of time now.
Thanks

Snoopy 08.03.2008 23:20

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Ok Swinburne, the guy who is authorised to do the job in Vercorin is called Pascal Main. Is it the same company? Did he rubber stamp the certificate?

If you want me to take a look at the certificate he gave you and give you my opinion as to its validity I am happy to do so. PM me and I will give you an e-mail address to send it to.

swinburne 08.03.2008 23:44

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Hi Snoopy
I was just typing you a reply and suddenly it was sent and I hadn't finished writing. Everything seems to be solved now as it was the same electrician. Thank you for your help!!! How do you know Vercorin, do you live near there?
Can't wait to come in April but I have a lot to sort out, moving etc with husband and 2 little boys, they aren't interested in moving furniture. I know I have to do an IKEA trip and I know that is going to be a nightmare. I am coming out again in May to tie up loose ends with my 82 year old Dad.
Thank you so much again

Snoopy 08.03.2008 23:50

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It's my pleasure! After all, that's what this place is all about! :)

My family had a chalet in the Valais for a while and I did many years of army service in the area, so I know the region pretty well. It has to be one of my favourite parts of Switzerland. The locals are not easy to get to know, but once you do, they are really very warm people.

Good luck with the move and if there is anything else that I can be of help with (except moving furniture and IKEA....my wife does that :) ), just holler.....

J_T 09.03.2008 00:54

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Whew! Glad that worked out!


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