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Old 15.04.2008, 18:50
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Re: How do people live here?!

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People here don't seem to have a concept of what smooth crowd flow is. It's almost as if they think they're the only one occupying the street/pavement/shop/train, etc.
There is a concept of crowd flow - its just not smooth. I believe that people in Europe are a bit more egocentric and less inclined to obey to rules than Americans - therefore, people will pay less attention and when you have larger crowds this might result in a somewhat chaotic situation (everyone wanting to be the first one on the tram). Overall, this works equally well as the "US model", just takes some time to get used to.

I even would say that the Swiss are amongst the friendlier Europeans. Go spend a weekend in Paris and you will see what unfriendly people are like.
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Old 15.04.2008, 19:13
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To/from Hell's Kitchen by any chance? That's my old 'hood



I'd have to agree with this. I've had to bark *Faite Attention* more than a few times to avoid being hit or run into. People here don't seem to have a concept of what smooth crowd flow is. It's almost as if they think they're the only one occupying the street/pavement/shop/train, etc.
Hells Kitchen is great but no I was not that cool. I lived just on the other side of Hells Kitchen.
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Old 15.04.2008, 19:45
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Go spend a weekend in Paris and you will see what unfriendly people are like.
Um, actually, I have spent a lot of time in Paris (I have family there). They're not as bad as everyone says. Some would even say Parisians are the Euro version of New Yorkers
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Old 15.04.2008, 19:46
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Hells Kitchen is great but no I was not that cool. I lived just on the other side of Hells Kitchen.
Now I'm guessing Chelsea or perhaps Hoboken. No matter, both still rate pretty high on the cool scale, IMO

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Re: How do people live here?!

I don't believe that. The English (thats England, Ewerope)for example enjoy breaking the rules and yet show remarkable politeness in a crowd situation:

a) Allowing others on to the train in strict who-arrived-on-the-platform-order;
b) Allowing first arrivals to get served first at bar, and admonishing those that attempt to queue jump;
c) employing the unbroken-stride-body-swerve when negotiating crowded pavements

Its all passive aggresive here: pretending you haven't seen the person waiting or walking toward you...

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There is a concept of crowd flow - its just not smooth. I believe that people in Europe are a bit more egocentric and less inclined to obey to rules than Americans - therefore, people will pay less attention and when you have larger crowds this might result in a somewhat chaotic situation (everyone wanting to be the first one on the tram). Overall, this works equally well as the "US model", just takes some time to get used to.

I even would say that the Swiss are amongst the friendlier Europeans. Go spend a weekend in Paris and you will see what unfriendly people are like.
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The sad fact is, as I have found over the last 8 years, if you are overly polite and civil you end up missing out, either finding yourself at the back of a queue or missing a tram, for example. In a way, you have to "go-local" and if you feel bad about that, apologise loudly as you elbow people out of the way.

I used to take the packed No.5 tram to get to my old job and more than once stood back to allow the elderly, school kids or mums with kids to get on before me only to find they didn't bother filling up the empty aisles on the tram, preferring to crowd around the door and not batting an eye when the tram doors closed in my face leaving me standing there at the tram stop like a lemon.

As soon as you start going with the flow, your "pedestrian management skills" improve.
I take the point. If you are over polite then there’s always someone who will take advantage. People should stand up for themselves. And believe me I’m the first to confront a queue jumper. But stepping out of someone’s way, holding open a door and saying excuse me or thank you don’t turn you into a door mat. It just shows you have faster reflexes!
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Old 16.04.2008, 22:54
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Re: How do people live here?!

I wanted to take a quick minute to thank everyone for all the additional replies. You've given me some great information.

To those who generously offered to speak to me via pm, thank you so much! I am I recovering from surgery right now, so I don't have the energy to pummel you with questions at the moment. I will contact you soon when I am feeling better.

Thanks again for the offers and info!
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Old 16.04.2008, 23:03
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Its all passive aggresive here: pretending you haven't seen the person waiting or walking toward you...
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Dude I lived in Seattle area for 2 years - you wanna see passive-aggressive, man that place is crazy. Zurich at least has nothing on that place. Thank goodness...
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Re: How do people live here?!

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well, i am a true swiss and grew up in zürich (i`m 18). Yes, most of the people do live in a small apartement. My mum, brother and i live on about 100qm, but i dont share a room with my brother and we do have a small (very small) washing-mashine in the bathroom. switzerland is a small country and space is luxury. it depends on how wealthy you are and you would be able to afford a house near the city. But the short distances have their positive sites. you dont need a car and it doesnt take you half a day to get to the next town. You can go shopping to germany or france if you want and it only takes u a few hours. that leaves you with more time for the real important stuff in life. your family prehaps, or just a nice sunday afternoon walk around the lake. ive been to australia for a year and i do miss the wide open spaces and the big houses, but i wouldnt wanna live somewhere else than Zürich. its my own personal luxury!!

hope this helps! and i dont think you are arrogant or something like that, i understand what you mean and i do miss the space!!
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