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Good family area?

Can anyone help me?

I am moving to Zurich with my partner and two small children. It is important to us that we are in a pleasant area for families, with good amenities, good schools, parks to take the children and good connections in to the city and around the lake.

If anyone could suggest some areas that I look at this would be great.

I have also had a look on Homegate at living in Baar. However, it is difficult to get a feel as to what it is like for families and how long the commute into the city takes.

Any comments are greatly appreciated.

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Depends what your budget is. With two kids, will they share a room or do they want their own? You would be looking for a 4 or 4.5 room flat for a shared room or a 5 - 5.5 room flat if they want their own rooms.

You can live in the Seefeld area, which is popular with families and has good amenities and part with best part of CHF 4500 per month or you can move into one of the suburbs (check out Adliswil, Rüschlikon, Thalwil down the silver coast or Kusnacht, Erlenbach, Herrliberg on the gold coast) and pay a similar amount.

Looking at the north of the city, you might find something cheaper.

How old are your kids?
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Budget is up to 4K. Ideally we would like 4.5 rooms minimum.

The children are only 18 months.

I understand that a lot of rents are apartments which is why I would like to be within walking distance of some parks. Plus I have seen on the internet a lot of parks where families are grilling/BBQ food etc which looks fantastic in the Summer. Do you know where these places tend to be or is it like this all over the city in the summer?

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Re: Good family area?

On the other hand you can get way with paying a lot less than 4500 in the areas already mentioned. It takes a bit of luck but it's definitely possible (we do it! We've got half a very old house with a garden).

We're in Meilen, which is a really lovely area and a great community. I work at home (teaching) so my daughter walks to all her activities, friends etc by herself. It's 15 minutes by train to Stadelhofen and right on the lake with lots of forest area a short walk away.

We lived in the city first, Seefeld, and that was also great. So convenient for pubic transport, the lake etc. We also paid a lot less than 4500 for a 4.5 apartment when we were there, but of course this depends on what is available. Despite initial reluctance I'm glad we moved to Meilen as it gives my daughter a lot more freedom of movement (plus I can drag my kayak down to the lake and get away from everything and everyone when the weather's nice).

I need to go into town regularly, though, to get my city fix, but on the whole it was a great move out of the city. Besides, depending on where you're coming from, it's likely you would have had a bigger commute while still living in a city. This was definitely the case for us had we stayed in Australia. This way, we feel like we're almost in the country (cows, vineyards, forest etc) but still close enough my husband can ride his bicycle to work.
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On the other hand you can get way with paying a lot less than 4500 in the areas already mentioned. It takes a bit of luck but it's definitely possible (we do it! We've got half a very old house with a garden).

We're in Meilen, which is a really lovely area and a great community. I work at home (teaching) so my daughter walks to all her activities, friends etc by herself. It's 15 minutes by train to Stadelhofen and right on the lake with lots of forest area a short walk away.

We lived in the city first, Seefeld, and that was also great. So convenient for pubic transport, the lake etc. We also paid a lot less than 4500 for a 4.5 apartment when we were there, but of course this depends on what is available. Despite initial reluctance I'm glad we moved to Meilen as it gives my daughter a lot more freedom of movement (plus I can drag my kayak down to the lake and get away from everything and everyone when the weather's nice).

I need to go into town regularly, though, to get my city fix, but on the whole it was a great move out of the city. Besides, depending on where you're coming from, it's likely you would have had a bigger commute while still living in a city. This was definitely the case for us had we stayed in Australia. This way, we feel like we're almost in the country (cows, vineyards, forest etc) but still close enough my husband can ride his bicycle to work.

I will definitely take a look at this area then. What is the local tax rate like? I assume that Stadelhofen is in the City? If not how long does it take to get to the HB?

Do you have any thoughts/comments on Baar?
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Re: Good family area?

I don't know about living in Baar at all.

I'm not sure what the tax rate is in Meilen but I think it's lower than in Zurich, although I'm sure someone else will correct me if I'm wrong. We really didn't take this in to consideration when we moved. Not because we're millionaires but because we wanted to choose based on lifestyle, while still not paying a huge amount of rent. Our budget was definitely not even anywhere near the 4000 mark.

Stadelhofen is in the city, at the top of the lake, and a 2 minute train ride to HB, although you can easily walk from Stadelhofen to HB.


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My daughter (9 years old) is in the local school and walks there every day, although I also teach a few kids who are picked up by bus and taken to the nearest international school. But I am very glad we went local for school, as it really helps my daughter (and us as well) to integrate into the community.

We don't have a car but get around very easily by train, bike etc, and use a mobility car (a car-sharing operation) when we want to go further afield. The train from the city goes to Rapperswil at the other end of the lake, and from there there are great connections to just about everywhere.

There is quite a large English-speaking community, but not an expat community, in the sense that everyone is short term. I would say it's more the opposite, with the kids of all the people I know in local school, and most people intending to stay long term.

I think the best thing you can do is come and look around all the areas on your list so you can at least make some first impressions.

There are so many great areas to live, both in the city and outside of it.
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Re: Good family area?

We have lived in Baar for nearly 3 years and we like it!
The train takes about 25 into Zurich HB.
I have an 8 year old who is in the local school, and loves it. She has lots of friends living locally and knows her way round the town quite well!.
It is a smallish town, but has most of the everyday shops that you need and Zug is 5 minutes drive away (or 5 minutes on the train!)
There is no lake, but Cham Villette Park is 10 mins (car or train) and there are plenty of playgrounds around.
It has been a good move for our family down to Baar, if you have any other questions please ask and I'll try and answer them!
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Old 04.04.2014, 16:38
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Re: Good family area?

Not sure if you'd mind living just a bit outside of Zurich city, but we live in Greifensee (a 20 minute train ride from central Zurich), and we absolutely love it here. Greifensee is a gorgeous lake -- very clean and great for swimming, with trails that go all around it and little beach areas, etc. There is good shopping here and in the neighboring villages and cities. It seems to be a great place for kids -- very safe, with lots of space for them to play. And for 4K per month, you could probably find a really nice place here.
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The majority, if not all, the places you have mentioned are not suburbs but villages - the only one that might be one is Adliswil ( I think). They each have their own local government, local tax structure etc.
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Re: Good family area?

I also love living in the Züri Oberland near the Greifensee (the lake, not the village, although that isn't far away either!). We rent a semi-detached house, 6 rooms, big garden and 2 underground garage space for significantly less than 4k. Easy trip into Zürich city or Uster.

We lived in Stadt Zürich for a year first and got the feel for the city and surroundingn areas, then looked at places we liked visiting, where people we met were living, etc, before deciding where to move outside the city for the longer term. I appreciate thats harder to do if your kids are already in school though, you don't want to disrupt them again.

I think in the end it's not necessarily the specific area you end up living in that is the most important thing, because most places are nice and have their own pros and cons, but whether you get everything on your checklist. So if it's really essential that you have 5 rooms and a garden near the station/school within your budget and you can find that in Meilen but not Adliswil (just for example), then you should go to Meilen.
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Re: Good family area?

reviving an old thread.

I'm coming from a 2M+ Eastern-EU capital city and have been brought up in a socialist concrete block of flats, so generally I've been a city kid so far.

Today, we live around the Max-Bill-Platz in Oerlikon. I commute to Enge, she commutes (still) to Schaffhausen, so Oerlikon is just perfect for a location. Literally everything is around the corner.

We are expecting our first child and we eventually will need another room, so moving is on the radar.

I'm having second thoughts about moving closer to the lake, or generally, just out of the city to a lot less busy area. The end of a cul-de-sac, with a large garden, or being close(r) to the Limmat or the lake or just having a bunch of forest and sheep around us instead of concrete and cars and bus lines.

On the other hand, I'm dreading the necessity of 2 cars and/or a 45minute+ commute, and, and foremost, I'm not sure about the quality of village schools and baby nursing, either. What I know from my E-EU past is that village schools were a massive disadvantage for kids later on in terms of quality of (available) teachers. On the other hand, city schools were much better, but hence the real estate prices would reflect this. Would this be also true for Switzerland?

I unfortunately can't shell out 4k for accommodation, and anything in the sub-3000 area is very challenging for a decent location and a modern-enough 4.5 flat.
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Re: Good family area?

Have you thougt about places like Uster (30 min to Enge) ? Quite a large town on the lake (greifensee).
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reviving an old thread.

I'm coming from a 2M+ Eastern-EU capital city and have been brought up in a socialist concrete block of flats, so generally I've been a city kid so far.

Today, we live around the Max-Bill-Platz in Oerlikon. I commute to Enge, she commutes (still) to Schaffhausen, so Oerlikon is just perfect for a location. Literally everything is around the corner.

We are expecting our first child and we eventually will need another room, so moving is on the radar.

I'm having second thoughts about moving closer to the lake, or generally, just out of the city to a lot less busy area. The end of a cul-de-sac, with a large garden, or being close(r) to the Limmat or the lake or just having a bunch of forest and sheep around us instead of concrete and cars and bus lines.

On the other hand, I'm dreading the necessity of 2 cars and/or a 45minute+ commute, and, and foremost, I'm not sure about the quality of village schools and baby nursing, either. What I know from my E-EU past is that village schools were a massive disadvantage for kids later on in terms of quality of (available) teachers. On the other hand, city schools were much better, but hence the real estate prices would reflect this. Would this be also true for Switzerland?

I unfortunately can't shell out 4k for accommodation, and anything in the sub-3000 area is very challenging for a decent location and a modern-enough 4.5 flat.
I think most of the little towns or villages on the "Silver Coast" are OK. Schools are actually better than in Zurich in a couple of places like Kilchberg and Rüschlikon.
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Have you thougt about places like Uster (30 min to Enge) ? Quite a large town on the lake (greifensee).
I'm looking into Uster, and I'd love to do Greifensee or the south side with Maur, but traffic is just impossible (60mins+) from these places if you don't live directly at the train station.
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I think most of the little towns or villages on the "Silver Coast" are OK. Schools are actually better than in Zurich in a couple of places like Kilchberg and Rüschlikon.
is there any stats for school quality (like the States would have them)?

Silver coast also gets to 3500-4000 as long as you want to live close to any reasonable train station in a modern(ish) building. If you move up the hill it gets cheaper, but suddenly your commute times triple.
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Silver coast also gets to 3500-4000 as long as you want to live close to any reasonable train station in a modern(ish) building. If you move up the hill it gets cheaper, but suddenly your commute times triple.
Well, you cannot easily have spacious, modern, close-to-the-station, close-to-the-lake, and cheap accommodation anywhere, can you?
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Well, you cannot easily have spacious, modern, close-to-the-station, close-to-the-lake, and cheap accommodation anywhere, can you?
Possibly, if you moved out as far as Lachen. But then that's Kanton Schwyz.
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great stuff, thanks for this. would you have such a diagram for elementary schools as well?


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Silver coast also gets to 3500-4000 as long as you want to live close to any reasonable train station in a modern(ish) building. If you move up the hill it gets cheaper, but suddenly your commute times triple.
That's true..you can find very nice places at 2500 chf on avg but as you said - up the hill and in not so new buildings. On the other hand they have built a lot in the last 5-8 years so the prices are slowly decreasing..
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would you have such a diagram for elementary schools as well?
I don't know if it's possible to have such a classification for elementary schools.
For secondary schools, there is the percentage of kids that pass Matura (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matura), but for primary schools, what would be a good criterion?
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