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Old 06.12.2017, 21:52
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for sure the first use case is fun

long term it would be 3-fold
1. energy efficiency
2. automation of lights on/off based on arrival, departure, schedule, etc also like the possibility to dim/control light intensity
3. as we away quite regularly I quite like the ability to turn on/off lights remotely since our living room has a wall to wall window and can be seen externally.
Go for it then.

I have read that the new remote is nicer to use than the one in the set you suggested.

You can still use it to set scenes etc. I've got one.

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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

We were looking at a Philips Hue ceiling lamp (Philips Hue Fair) yesterday as we want one for a room with a low ceiling.



It's rated at 3000 Lumens but seems quite dim. We have other Philips non-Hue ceiling lamps rated much lower but they are really bright.

Has anyone got one of these and noticed that they are not particularly bright?

Has anyone got any alternative lamps that they could suggest?

The room is multi-function and sometimes we need a strong bright light and others a dim warm light - hence the Philips Hue.
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

Hi Tom,

I have a couple of these in the house, paired with magnetic wall remote. I'm happy with them. They are white only, but you can scroll through different white styles with that remote.

https://www.galaxus.ch/en/s14/produc...iABEgKJOvD_BwE

Bright enough to comfortably fill a 5x5m room, but not blazingly bright. The link says it is not dimmable but it is.
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Old 10.12.2017, 15:59
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Hi Tom,

I have a couple of these in the house, paired with magnetic wall remote. I'm happy with them. They are white only, but you can scroll through different white styles with that remote.

https://www.galaxus.ch/en/s14/produc...iABEgKJOvD_BwE

Bright enough to comfortably fill a 5x5m room, but not blazingly bright. The link says it is not dimmable but it is.
Thanks Krlock, that's all good to know. I know they're only white but that's all we want - we definitely don't want coloured lights!

We've got some of the white ambience bulbs for other lamps and they work really well but it's the lamp units that we want this time.
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

Finally, after a long long time, I had time, when I was sick at home, to set up my Openhab2 Home Automation on a raspberry pi 3

Added only Hue lights and some nice features with color temperatures, dimms, etc

Will then add echo dot and then I will set up a HABpanel and control them via touch screen pad.

Further steps will be either blind controlling, where I will need some hardware support because they are all manual now, or heating control via radiators, where again I will need hardware.

as a side project, planning to set up another echo dot, to my car, mainly for music. Anyone have any good/bad experience ?
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Old 20.12.2017, 13:12
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Finally, after a long long time, I had time, when I was sick at home, to set up my Openhab2 Home Automation on a raspberry pi 3

Added only Hue lights and some nice features with color temperatures, dimms, etc

Will then add echo dot and then I will set up a HABpanel and control them via touch screen pad.

Further steps will be either blind controlling, where I will need some hardware support because they are all manual now, or heating control via radiators, where again I will need hardware.

as a side project, planning to set up another echo dot, to my car, mainly for music. Anyone have any good/bad experience ?
No idea about echo dots in cars. Good that you got openHAB running - HABpanel is really easy to use and you can use different configurations for desktop screen, smart phones and tablets.
Give me a shout if you get stuck with anything.

Having a versatile system is great - I've easy set up Christmas tree lights, outside lights and other stuff with rules so they turn on automatically and at a preset time late in the evening, they turn off and the relevant window shutters go down automatically.
Plus I can now tell Echo, "Turn on the Christmas tree lights!"
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

I am also planning to order some esp8266s and relays for further MQTT related features, there are a lot of choices of esp8266s around and I actually need to check and find the exact ones for my projects.

Any recommendations already ?

I assume those would be fine :
5PCS ESP-12F (ESP-12E upgrade) ESP8266 Remote Serial Port WIFI Wireless Module ESP8266 4M Flash IOT

And also Arduino, UNO ? jumper cables etc
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Old 20.12.2017, 14:47
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I am also planning to order some esp8266s and relays for further MQTT related features, there are a lot of choices of esp8266s around and I actually need to check and find the exact ones for my projects.

Any recommendations already ?
That depends on what you want to do with them.

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I assume those would be fine :
5PCS ESP-12F (ESP-12E upgrade) ESP8266 Remote Serial Port WIFI Wireless Module ESP8266 4M Flash IOT
You'll need good soldering skills for those and you'll need to sort out voltage regulation too.
You'll also need a FTDI232 USB to serial and level converter board to program it. (ESP8266 is 3V3).

Again, what you actually need depends on what you want to do with them.


Sonoff devices are good if you just want to switch mains off and on via MQTT as you can add a programming header and re-flash them with the Arduino IDE.

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And also Arduino, UNO ? jumper cables etc
UNOs are good for playing around with. I've got a few with an ethernet 'shield' which just plugs in the top. You can then use MQTT.

What makes them good as you can plug in an off-the-shelf PSU and USB lead and start programming them straight away.

I don't tend to use jumper wires - I tend to solder stuff so I can use it in permanent installations and I know it should work first time (at least the hardware) as the clever stuff is done with software which can be tweaked.
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There are a few companies doing this.

Spline in Thalwil is one.
But, judging by the sort of houses it has been implemented in, it's going to be at the high-end of the price range.
I popped in there today as we are going to be refurbishing the apartment we are in the process of buying. A basic set up starting with lights and blinds was in the region of 8-20k. I was surprised that their system doesn't include scenes in the base configuration. They can be programmed to do whatever you want, but I suspect at Swiss developer salaries.
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

I quite fancy playing with OpenHAB as a hobby/project for our new place, but get the electrician who is rewiring the place to install the hardware.

In advance of this I thought I'd download OpenHAB and have a play with it on my Mac and make a binding to my Hue lights. I've fallen at the second hurdle though.. Download etc was fine, but I'm stumped getting it to talk to the JVM. Downloaded the latest version etc, but can't get it into the directory that OpenHAB is looking for. The sad thing is if I were doing this on a Windows PC, which I've not touched since switching to OS X ten years ago, I'm sure that the 15 years of tinkering with DOS and Windows would make it a doddle. I see a steep learning curve ahead here! I also suspect that if I can't make it work on OS X, Linux is going to be just as difficult.
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Old 22.12.2017, 21:24
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I quite fancy playing with OpenHAB as a hobby/project for our new place, but get the electrician who is rewiring the place to install the hardware.

In advance of this I thought I'd download OpenHAB and have a play with it on my Mac and make a binding to my Hue lights. I've fallen at the second hurdle though.. Download etc was fine, but I'm stumped getting it to talk to the JVM. Downloaded the latest version etc, but can't get it into the directory that OpenHAB is looking for. The sad thing is if I were doing this on a Windows PC, which I've not touched since switching to OS X ten years ago, I'm sure that the 15 years of tinkering with DOS and Windows would make it a doddle. I see a steep learning curve ahead here! I also suspect that if I can't make it work on OS X, Linux is going to be just as difficult.
What version of Java have you installed? Currently openHAB will not work with Java 9, only JDK 8.
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...I thought I'd download OpenHAB and have a play with it on my Mac and make a binding to my Hue lights. I've fallen at the second hurdle though.. Download etc was fine, but I'm stumped getting it to talk to the JVM. Downloaded the latest version etc, but can't get it into the directory that OpenHAB is looking for. The sad thing is if I were doing this on a Windows PC, which I've not touched since switching to OS X ten years ago, I'm sure that the 15 years of tinkering with DOS and Windows would make it a doddle. I see a steep learning curve ahead here! I also suspect that if I can't make it work on OS X, Linux is going to be just as difficult.
I feel you Bro. But just to be clear, are you experiencing all these terrible IT issues because you.... want to turn the light on?



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What version of Java have you installed? Currently openHAB will not work with Java 9, only JDK 8.
That fixed it thanks. I had some other issues with the JVM initially, so upgraded to the latest version. Uninstalling the whole thing and installing 8 has got me to the next stage.

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I quite fancy playing with OpenHAB as a hobby/project for our new place, but get the electrician who is rewiring the place to install the hardware.

In advance of this I thought I'd download OpenHAB and have a play with it on my Mac and make a binding to my Hue lights. I've fallen at the second hurdle though.. Download etc was fine, but I'm stumped getting it to talk to the JVM. Downloaded the latest version etc, but can't get it into the directory that OpenHAB is looking for. The sad thing is if I were doing this on a Windows PC, which I've not touched since switching to OS X ten years ago, I'm sure that the 15 years of tinkering with DOS and Windows would make it a doddle. I see a steep learning curve ahead here! I also suspect that if I can't make it work on OS X, Linux is going to be just as difficult.
Not sure how you intend the endgame to be, but since a lot of people seem to run OpenHAB on a raspberry pi (which you can leave on 24/7 due to low power) it's probably easier to start with the rpi and just download a ready made image with everything set up e.g. a quick google shows up http://docs.openhab.org/installation/openhabian.html (disclaimer, i haven't tried it)
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Not sure how you intend the endgame to be, but since a lot of people seem to run OpenHAB on a raspberry pi (which you can leave on 24/7 due to low power) it's probably easier to start with the rpi and just download a ready made image with everything set up e.g. a quick google shows up http://docs.openhab.org/installation/openhabian.html (disclaimer, i haven't tried it)
Thanks Phil. rPi is probably what I’ll go with. In the meantime I just want to have a play around with what I have and see if I’m technically up to setting it up or whether an installed and expensive solution is needed.
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Thanks Phil. rPi is probably what I’ll go with. In the meantime I just want to have a play around with what I have and see if I’m technically up to setting it up or whether an installed and expensive solution is needed.
have fun. the rpi suggestion was to bypass all the installation hassles as that is done for you, but maybe you already figured it out.
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have fun. the rpi suggestion was to bypass all the installation hassles as that is done for you, but maybe you already figured it out.
Installation of the server is all done. Hue, LG TV and Sonos are all bound. My problem now is getting anything to work outside of the Paper UI. I’ve built item lists and sitemaps and written some rules. The sitemaps display properly, but don’t want to control anything and the rules don’t seem to function either.
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Installation of the server is all done. Hue, LG TV and Sonos are all bound. My problem now is getting anything to work outside of the Paper UI. I’ve built item lists and sitemaps and written some rules. The sitemaps display properly, but don’t want to control anything and the rules don’t seem to function either.
Have you searched for your Hue, Sonos and LGTV things in PaperUI and linked the channels to their item types?

PaperUI - Configuration - Things - '+', choose binding - etc....

You may be diving in too deep in one go. Get one binding working with one item and add things progressively.
Get rules working later (one at a time until you've got the hang of it).

If you want, send me a PM and I'll send you my email address so you can send me copies of your item and rules files (they're only text files) so I can see if there are any blinding errors.
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Are there wall switches and outlets I can use to control lights and devices through a hub or smart so speaker? I prefer to separate the building from the controller when possible.
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

I expanded my home automation with some sonoffs

As I would like to use them with echo dot, I assume I need to reflash them, question is, shall I use Arduino or something else ? Do I need to buy just one or multiple ones?
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