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Old 23.06.2014, 12:57
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Home Automation in Switzerland

Has anyone managed to successfully set any systems up here? I see a lot of interesting products, Nest, Honeywell Lyric to name but some components.

I am really looking to set up the following things, ideally all in one system, controlled by one app remote or on local wi-fi network, or at least on just 1 phone or tablet:
  • Temperature (Underfloor heating, so not sure how compatible that is with Next, Lyric, etc).
  • Control of motorised blinds.
  • Lighting in certain rooms (dimming / on / off).
  • Power to certain sockets in the house.
  • *maybe* front door lock, but this is uncertain and there are other solutions that don't need to be part of this home automation network, like Lockitron etc.
Has anyone implemented any of these, how easy was it over here? What app / device do you control everything from?

Thanks for any advice before I press ahead and speak to electrical engineers / installers (if that's even necessary).

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Old 23.06.2014, 13:06
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

I would assume everything electrical would have to conform to the swiss standards / your local electricity company standard, we recently had our house inspected by the electricity company and they made us remove a shaver plug socket from the bathroom as they didn't know how to test it (was a uk one) sure you can remove them then put them back again, just worth baring in mind when you're looking at much cheaper systems outside of switzerland
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Old 23.06.2014, 13:19
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

Thanks BB2.

I'm not so worried about saving money on it, I don't know any Swiss company that does all of this though. If you do, I'd be glad to know!
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Old 23.06.2014, 13:26
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

Fraid not as the electrical rules seem to differ canton to canton etc etc I'd assume its quite hard for a company to offer a swiss wide system, and having external systems would drive me nuts (eg the ones you plug into a socket)
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How much actual change to the wiring system would there have to be though.

To my mind, I just assumed that these devices would be wired up more or less the same as current lightswitches / blind controls.

So you currently have say a standard push button that controls your lights, the plastic fascia of that would be removed and the 'smart' switch would take its place. You would do this for all the switches you wanted replaced.

I also thought the thermostat would be similar - instead of the cheap plasticky surround you get normally, you'd swap it out for one of the more slick ones i mentioned before, and just attach the old wires to the fancy new (say Lyric or Nest) fascia?

Finally, you'd need some box somewhere attached to your router, then it would receive signals from your phone / tablet and broadcast them to the relevant switches?

I might have the setup idea wrong though

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Surely, once you've set up underfloor heating, you don't ever need to touch the thermostats again?
We haven't changed our settings for three years.

I'm not criticising, but just wondered what benefit you were hoping to achieve?
Hi Tom,

Fair point. I would say though that in summer I would turn the underfloor heating off entirely and at various times throughout the rest of the year, I'd change with the seasons.

I would say the main benefit would be that you could maintain a comfortable temperature all year round, as most of the thermostats will have an onboard (or connect to a seperate module) thermometer / hygrometer and so if I say I like the temp at 18 degrees, I won't need to keep fiddling with a manual thermostat to achieve this, the system will do it for me, whether it is baking or freezing outside.

Also, as a small added benefit, I suppose if you go on holiday for a fortnight, you can turn it all off for 13 days and then set it via your hotel wi-fi on the last day so you can come home to a comfortable house and save on 13 days of heating bills.

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How much actual change to the wiring system would there have to be though.

To my mind, I just assumed that these devices would be wired up more or less the same as current lightswitches / blind controls.

So you currently have say a standard push button that controls your lights, the plastic fascia of that would be removed and the 'smart' switch would take its place. You would do this for all the switches you wanted replaced.

I also thought the thermostat would be similar - instead of the cheap plasticky surround you get normally, you'd swap it out for one of the more slick ones i mentioned before, and just attach the old wires to the fancy new (say Lyric or Nest) fascia?

Finally, you'd need some box somewhere attached to your router, then it would receive signals from your phone / tablet and broadcast them to the relevant switches?

I might have the setup idea wrong though



Hi Tom,

Fair point. I would say though that in summer I would turn the underfloor heating off entirely and at various times throughout the rest of the year, I'd change with the seasons.

I would say the main benefit would be that you could maintain a comfortable temperature all year round, as most of the thermostats will have an onboard (or connect to a seperate module) thermometer / hygrometer and so if I say I like the temp at 18 degrees, I won't need to keep fiddling with a manual thermostat to achieve this, the system will do it for me, whether it is baking or freezing outside.

Also, as a small added benefit, I suppose if you go on holiday for a fortnight, you can turn it all off for 13 days and then set it via your hotel wi-fi on the last day so you can come home to a comfortable house and save on 13 days of heating bills.
a friend of mine did the wiring himself and plumbed cat5 everywhere for the control signals. actual control was done by CAN bus.

if i were you, i'd figure out what you want to do and put everything in while it is being built to avoid ripping it all out, re-wiring and re-plastering.
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Fair point. I would say though that in summer I would turn the underfloor heating off entirely and at various times throughout the rest of the year, I'd change with the seasons.

I would say the main benefit would be that you could maintain a comfortable temperature all year round, as most of the thermostats will have an onboard (or connect to a seperate module) thermometer / hygrometer and so if I say I like the temp at 18 degrees, I won't need to keep fiddling with a manual thermostat to achieve this, the system will do it for me, whether it is baking or freezing outside.

Also, as a small added benefit, I suppose if you go on holiday for a fortnight, you can turn it all off for 13 days and then set it via your hotel wi-fi on the last day so you can come home to a comfortable house and save on 13 days of heating bills.
We replaced our home heating a few years ago, and the need for these sorts of things was removed or at least dramatically reduced. There are no room thermostats, but the system works with the outside temperature (via a sensor) to determine if any internal heating is required to achieve your set temperature. Parameters are adjustable to allow fine-tuning.

And it works very well indeed, with our mix of under-floor in some rooms but only rads in others. Reduces the heating water temperature as well, so if it's just getting cool outside the radiators are perhaps just slightly warm to the touch, but if it's freezing they'll be proper hot.

There's also a Holiday function that allows you to have the heating on a reduced temperature setting (if you want it, e.g. for plants, pets, etc.) for the period you're away and then turns it back on when you tell it to, i.e. before you arrive home. Yes, it's not remotely accessible, but unless you're cutting a trip short it's sufficient.
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How much actual change to the wiring system would there have to be though.

To my mind, I just assumed that these devices would be wired up more or less the same as current lightswitches / blind controls.

So you currently have say a standard push button that controls your lights, the plastic fascia of that would be removed and the 'smart' switch would take its place. You would do this for all the switches you wanted replaced.

I also thought the thermostat would be similar - instead of the cheap plasticky surround you get normally, you'd swap it out for one of the more slick ones i mentioned before, and just attach the old wires to the fancy new (say Lyric or Nest) fascia?

Finally, you'd need some box somewhere attached to your router, then it would receive signals from your phone / tablet and broadcast them to the relevant switches?

I might have the setup idea wrong though
He can swap out wall-sockets and thermostats for other models which directly connect to wi-fi, when switching multiple lamps he can add wi-fi dimmers in the boxes of the lamps, no need for "some" box near the router. Just to install an app on your phone and/or tablet which controls them and gets status update from them over wi-fi.

As for his blinds, that would fully depend on the current system which is unknown to me.

And it all depends how much he wants to spend and how complicated he wants the system to be, i have experience with Digitalstrom which is used for a 4 floor company in ZH to control lights but also the coffeemachines and many other equipment with a custom made app and an iPad and server on each floor with a bunch of IP relays in the cabinets, but such is overkill for OP imho. Digitalstrom can do everything but i think it's to expensive and offers way to much for someone who basically just wants a bunch of on/of functions in a home.
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

We do. We have a control panel that controls lights, electric blinds, alarm system , heating in all rooms etc and some of the electric sockets. I can look up the details when I'm at home.

It is a new build though so everything was installed during the building process.
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We do. We have a control panel that controls lights, electric blinds, alarm system , heating in all rooms etc and some of the electric sockets. I can look up the details when I'm at home.

It is a new build though so everything was installed during the building process.
Hi BM,

That would be great! Mine is also new build and I have to decide on Electronics ASAP.

Your system sounds great - is it also possible to control by phone / tablet etc?
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I'd want mine left on if I was away for a fortnight in the winter - burst pipes and all that!

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You don't turn the heat off when you are gone - just down. We do it all the time when we go away - but just through the program on our heat pump I suppose. We then set it to come back to the regular setting a half day or so before we return...otherwise, if you cut it too close, it can be chilly Actually, I don't know the details as I let my OH take care of it

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We do. We have a control panel that controls lights, electric blinds, alarm system , heating in all rooms etc and some of the electric sockets. I can look up the details when I'm at home.

It is a new build though so everything was installed during the building process.
My husband would love to have a smart home with some sort of central "bus" (?) to control things! It sounds like you have gotten some good suggestions here, OP, hope you find something that fits the bill. Out of curiosity, are you doing the renovations yourself or is it just your contractor has never dealt with a "smart home" before? It can be daunting to convince contractors to try something new!
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  • Temperature (Underfloor heating, so not sure how compatible that is with Next, Lyric, etc).
Has anyone implemented any of these, how easy was it over here? What app / device do you control everything from?
Surely, once you've set up underfloor heating, you don't ever need to touch the thermostats again?
We haven't changed our settings for three years.

I'm not criticising, but just wondered what benefit you were hoping to achieve?
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

There is a German company that does this - http://www.rwe-smarthome.de/web/cms/...330/smarthome/

A more DIY solution - http://www.instructables.com/id/Ardu...me-automation/
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

A local CH company also does this.
http://www.soundvisionhouse.ch/show-house/

The have shop in St. Moritz (GR) and a showhouse/showroom in Fahrwangen (AG). Not only homes, they are also do Yacht
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http://www.soundvisionhouse.ch/show-house/

The have shop in St. Moritz (GR) and a showhouse/showroom in Fahrwangen (AG). Not only homes, they are also do Yacht
There are a few companies doing this.

Spline in Thalwil is one.
But, judging by the sort of houses it has been implemented in, it's going to be at the high-end of the price range.
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There are a few companies doing this.

Spline in Thalwil is one.
But, judging by the sort of houses it has been implemented in, it's going to be at the high-end of the price range.
I popped in there today as we are going to be refurbishing the apartment we are in the process of buying. A basic set up starting with lights and blinds was in the region of 8-20k. I was surprised that their system doesn't include scenes in the base configuration. They can be programmed to do whatever you want, but I suspect at Swiss developer salaries.
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Also, as a small added benefit, I suppose if you go on holiday for a fortnight, you can turn it all off for 13 days and then set it via your hotel wi-fi on the last day so you can come home to a comfortable house and save on 13 days of heating bills.
I'd want mine left on if I was away for a fortnight in the winter - burst pipes and all that!

But fair points.
Have you looked at Feller KNX systems.

They are local (Horgen) so might be the kind of thing that local electricians suggest.
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

There is also this system digitalSTROM it was very briefly discussed in this thread I was made aware of it by at a home automation showroom which unfortunately like a lot of home automation showrooms is more about high end multimedia systems and adjusting surroundings to whatever is happening with that rather than everyday useful things.

You can also look at Belkin WeMo system but that is mainly a system for remotely controlling sockets and requires a plug in module rather like X10 system.

For controlling heating you might want to look at Netatmo which gives you a home weather station and remote control thermostat, I think, but haven't looked into it you can link the two together to form a closed loop system.

Finally you might want to look into devices that link with IFTTT.
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  • Temperature (Underfloor heating, so not sure how compatible that is with Next, Lyric, etc).
  • Control of motorised blinds.
  • Lighting in certain rooms (dimming / on / off).
  • Power to certain sockets in the house.
  • *maybe* front door lock, but this is uncertain and there are other solutions that don't need to be part of this home automation network, like Lockitron etc.
I have had the pleasure of working with the X10 product line (albeit not in Switzerland) and its components. it is a fairly simple process (installing/programming/monitoring) and different kit & components can help you achieve all your needs above.

They also exist in the UK, but the Home Automation Shop is probably your best bet in the Europe, they have almost every possible solution and they post items to Europe.

Edit: Conrad also has some items, you live in Zurich so you could easily go to their shop in Dietlikon and ask them for guidance and thoughts, they would also probably know who to contact (local companies).
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