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Building inspection and renovation cost estimate prior to purchasing old chalet

We are considering purchasing a ~100 year old chalet, but currently failing to figure out how to get some type of building inspection and rough renovation cost estimate prior to purchasing.


Anyone done something similar? Could you give us some idea how you did it? Any hints on type of person to contact and correct terminology to use? And how much service cost (hoping not too much as we're not set on purchasing if renovation cost look too high, so trying to avoid going route of very detailed architecture drawings yet)?


Not sure if allowed here but any ideas on specific firms/people? Or any suggestions on directories to check? Place is in Bern canton, not far from Spiez. And we unfortunately don't speak Swiss German.


Many thanks for any advice.
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Re: Building inspection and renovation cost estimate prior to purchasing old chalet

The bank which will be providing your mortgage/loan will have a list of architects who they use to provide valuations. Start there.
We did this about 14 years ago. The architect we used has long since retired.
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Re: Building inspection and renovation cost estimate prior to purchasing old chalet

I do not know this guy but he offers bilingual services : http://www.jc-designandbuild.com/ so is probably worth a call.
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Re: Building inspection and renovation cost estimate prior to purchasing old chalet

As labour rates are rather high in CH, it's likely to cost more to renovate than replace. The costs will always exceed what you expect, often by a huge factor.

The latest trend in Chalets is totally energy efficient to Minergie standards using old wood for any wood thats visible from the outside, as the Swiss want totally modern with the old look.
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Re: Building inspection and renovation cost estimate prior to purchasing old chalet

Living in a wooden chalet is something special. The cracking of the wood when it is cooling down after a day in the sun, or how it makes no noise at all in winter, with 1mt. snow on the roof. That you must get used to.
The hight of the cealings are also not every one's cup of tea.

Your chalet is 100 years old, the foundations need to be controlled along with the water and sewers.
I asked an Architect, that was also controller for the Kanton Bern Building Insuerance. Here is an eg. http://www.gafner-architektur.ch/sit...tarbeiter.html
You must just ask what it would cost for a control of your chalet.

This is our chalet.
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Re: Building inspection and renovation cost estimate prior to purchasing old chalet

And some people definitely do NOT!

Just come back from Surrey (UK) and its very heart is being torn apart- all the lovely old houses being pulled down, their gardens ripped up- to build massive ugly houses with not a blade of grass or flower in sight. Sadly the tax structure encourages this, as there is no VAT on new build, but VAT on improvements and extensions, in the UK.

Some of us love old houses- our dates from Elizabethan times. It has a heart and a soul- and so much history. You can never ever 'build' that.

Would love to hear from IMCB and whether we went ahead and bought- and how he got on. Are you there?
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Re: Building inspection and renovation cost estimate prior to purchasing old chalet

Sometimes the advantage here of retaining an old house, instead of completely demolishing it and starting again, is that the old house does have to comply with the same constraints as new one. Distance from the road, volume, number of stories, type of construction etc. etc. These rules are subject to constant change.
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Re: Building inspection and renovation cost estimate prior to purchasing old chalet

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And some people definitely do NOT!

Just come back from Surrey (UK) and its very heart is being torn apart- all the lovely old houses being pulled down, their gardens ripped up- to build massive ugly houses with not a blade of grass or flower in sight. Sadly the tax structure encourages this, as there is no VAT on new build, but VAT on improvements and extensions, in the UK.

Some of us love old houses- our dates from Elizabethan times. It has a heart and a soul- and so much history. You can never ever 'build' that.

Would love to hear from IMCB and whether we went ahead and bought- and how he got on. Are you there?
It's more the value of the land rather than the tax structure. Also as the cost of staff to look after your large garden is prohibitive to all but the very richest, large gardens are no longer an option for most.

The no's are clear in North London, a home built in the 1970's by a friends father sold for £1,500,000. House demolished new house built costing approx. £2,000,000, sold for 7,000,000. So 100% profit less 28% CGT over £2,500,000 profit after tax on a £1,500,000 purchase. Looks like a no brainer to me.

Remind me about old UK houses, cold, rising damp, single glazing, lack of bathrooms, certainly nothing the Swiss would wish to rent Most Elizabethan houses in the UK would be listed buildings, so they can't be demolished........ of course lets not add too much accuracy to the story. In CH houses also get replaced at an alarming rate......

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Sometimes the advantage here of retaining an old house, instead of completely demolishing it and starting again, is that the old house does have to comply with the same constraints as new one. Distance from the road, volume, number of stories, type of construction etc. etc. These rules are subject to constant change.
There is a risk with that strategy, if the house gets burned by fire or damaged by an avalanche, you may not be allowed to rebuild, something to bear in mind. Purchasing anything where the Zoning rules have changed is very dangerous.
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Re: Building inspection and renovation cost estimate prior to purchasing old chalet

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Some of us love old houses- our dates from Elizabethan times. It has a heart and a soul- and so much history. You can never ever 'build' that.
Yes and no. All houses start off new, after all - even the Elizabethan ones were modern and history-less when they were built.

Our house is old too, and I occasionally wonder what its first, second, third owners thought of it - was it too considered 'ugly and modern' at the time? If so, I am certainly grateful to whoever went ahead and built it anyway.
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Re: Building inspection and renovation cost estimate prior to purchasing old chalet

I like old homes, but I don't want to feel as if I am living in a museum, with every furnishing time-appropriate (not that on our stretched budget - mostly because of the houses - there is much chance of that happening). There is a real advantage to thoughtfully modernising an interior and that is how much time is freed for actually living. It is one thing to own a house, something very different to be "owned" by the demands of a geriatric house.
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Re: Building inspection and renovation cost estimate prior to purchasing old chalet

A choice, of course, and each to their own. Many of our friends have totally renovated and modernised houses, with a mixture of old and new, to fabulous effect. Keeping the best of the old, and adding the best of the new- same with furniture.

It would be very interesting in the UK if the Mansion tax does go ahead. BTW in Surrey some of the old 'mansions' have been pulled down and replaced with 1 single house, even bigger- with much of the garden left intact- and the lawn replaced by swimming-pool, huge BBQ/patio area, etc- and the reason stated was definitely the VAT cost of renovation and enlargement, as compared to new build. For those people spending 5 million + on houses, the cost of a gardener a few hours a week is hardly a consideration Daughter will probably do this with theirs forVAT reason- but it is a 1970s modern box without any charm, so nothing lost.

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