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Re: Selling a cutie pie house but ...

Neddy - have you done all the obvious things like remove family portraits and photos from shelves and walls, tidied away personal clutter etc?

Not everyone can see the potential in a home as it is. Some people want to imagine themselves owning the place which is much easier to do if it's neutral and doesn't feel like someone else's home.

The smell of fresh bread or coffee when people visit is also good and much more pleasant than the smell of stale ashtrays or wet dog.

When I bought my last place in the U.K, the grass in the garden was 1m tall, the carpets were filthy and there wasn't even a cooker in the kitchen.

I could see through that but most other prospective buyers couldn't and I got it at a knock down price.

But when we came to sell it, the garden was immaculate, kitchen gleaming and it looked as neutral as possible. There was a bidding war and we got well over the asking price.
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Old 27.01.2015, 11:12
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Neddy - have you done all the obvious things like remove family portraits and photos from shelves and walls, tidied away personal clutter etc?

Not everyone can see the potential in a home as it is. Some people want to imagine themselves owning the place which is much easier to do if it's neutral and doesn't feel like someone else's home.

The smell of fresh bread or coffee when people visit is also good and much more pleasant than the smell of stale ashtrays or wet dog.

When I bought my last place in the U.K, the grass in the garden was 1m tall, the carpets were filthy and there wasn't even a cooker in the kitchen.

I could see through that but most other prospective buyers couldn't and I got it at a knock down price.

But when we came to sell it, the garden was immaculate, kitchen gleaming and it looked as neutral as possible. There was a bidding war and we got well over the asking price.
Happened to me too. When I first viewed my holiday house, the plaster was flaking off the walls, the front room was stacked high with junk, everything was so filthy that we tried not to touch it more than necessary. Needless to say, we were the only people showing any interest and we could strike a very good price. Half a year later with everything cleaned up people's jaws fell in disbelief when we mentioned how cheap we had got it and that nobody else was interested.

Having a bit of imagination and being able to mentally photoshop stuff out (or in) puts you at an advantage.
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Old 27.01.2015, 11:27
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Sorry, I thought I had read them all.

I Just had another look and I can't see the same message.

All I found was one by you who thought it was a good idea to pay a friend to do some sort of voodoo on your house to remove 'bad vibes'.

And your original post suggested you were serious about selling your house?

So what are you? Serious or not serious?

Additionally, you asked for help but wouldn't put any photos up or even a link to the estate agents website?
What is so wrong with the place that you can't do that? If you're afraid we'll criticise then that's probably what you need if you're having such a problem selling.

It's not as if we haven't seen avocado-coloured bathroom suites before.
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Re: Selling a cutie pie house but ...

I can understand why he wouldn't want to post his house here - even my rudimentary google fu would have me googling the house I was interested in, which would lead to his EF sale thread, then I would probably look up the poster's profile, which in turn would lead me to this thread.

OP has been pretty clear that he is in a jam and needs to sell fast - not the best way to enter into a negotation.
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Re: Selling a cutie pie house but ...

The OP doesn't want to explain what a cutie pie house is, anyone able to solve the mystery? I can't find it in the thread, maybe I'm blind
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Re: Selling a cutie pie house but ...

The advice is good, no discussion.
But as I have said already - one careful owner with new kitchen appliances, sparkling repainted walls etc. The state of the property is not an issue.
We have had offers - one expected us to foot the bill for chf 100,000 worth of "improvements" (totally unnecessary but to mould the property to what he wanted to live in - except he doesn't have the budget to cover what he wants & can't get a bank to finance his mortgage dreams), and various experiences of people who have hit a wall at the bank - NOT because of the price of our property which has been verified by a bank & a survey was done by an architect which cost us chf 1,000, but their own personal finances are not adequate.

There seem to be a lot of people window shopping that haven't checked their budget with the bank before looking at properties. They think "hey, I feel like moving, let's have a look round to see what's for sale" & their expectations are not in line with the market.

The discussion was meant in my mind for others to share their experiences about selling a house, estate agent practices and how to cope with the stress of the situation. There are a lot of people in the same boat, trying to sell but nothing is shifting and with the recent bank changes about deposits etc more people are going to be stuck.
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The OP doesn't want to explain what a cutie pie house is, anyone able to solve the mystery? I can't find it in the thread, maybe I'm blind
Its an expression - usually applied to a person "you're a real cutie pie" so I guess it means the house is sweet/cute.
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It's been repainted Swiss white. The only personalisation are "focal points" to give a little character so it sticks in the buyers mind.
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Sorry, I thought I had read them all.

I Just had another look and I can't see the same message.
I think she may be referring to these bits.
It seems that the house has been completely repainted and is empty as they are living in another house so she sees your comments about removing clutter and photos etc as irrelevant to her.

They are of course very valid points for anyone who is looking to sell ( or rent out) a property.

I agree a couple of photos could be useful ( not the house ad but a couple of photos just to give people a general idea of the house) . People could give tips on how to improve the saleability of the house if they had something to work on. As it stands any advice given us all a bit general.
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Its an expression - usually applied to a person "you're a real cutie pie" so I guess it means the house is sweet/cute.

what makes it sweet/cute, I'm intrigued!

And as someone who is trying to buy, I can tell you 99% of the agents dont reply to emails/messages, makes it super hard!
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I can understand why he wouldn't want to post his house here - even my rudimentary google fu would have me googling the house I was interested in, which would lead here, then I would probably look up the poster's profile, which in turn would lead me to this thread.

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People are viewing the house on the estate agent's website. Based on what they see, they are actually going to visit the house.
Discounting the inevitable voyeurs, at least some are prospective buyers (who already know the price). No one like's what they see enough to pay the money they thought the house might be worth.

Without more info, I'm really not sure how we can help apart from making vague suggestions at making the place more attractive or suggesting the price is lowered.

So yeah, probably better that they stick with the voodoo stuff.
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We have had offers - one expected us to foot the bill for chf 100,000 worth of "improvements"
Before or after you dropped the price 200k?

If 100k isn't a huge % of the sale price - and it costs a reasonable sum each year to finance the house - you may have been better off taking that deal.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. A cutie pie house is just an expression to mean it's not a pig sty, it's not a palace. It's a nice little house which I find cute.
No property is what everyone is looking for. We all have different views on what is liveable and our priorities in housing are not the same. I see no point in the details of my house being on this forum.
I am not looking for opinions on my property. I know it's advantages & disadvantages.
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The discussion was meant in my mind for others to share their experiences about selling a house, estate agent practices and how to cope with the stress of the situation. There are a lot of people in the same boat, trying to sell but nothing is shifting and with the recent bank changes about deposits etc more people are going to be stuck.
House and apartment prices around here are appearing to stagnate. Lots of places aren't selling anymore.

Too many new places have been built recently. Loads more new ones have not even been finished yet.

Only the really good ones (fantastic views etc) are selling. The rest have been on the market for months. Some for more than a year. Some are almost new.

It's not a good time to sell. It's definitely not a good time to buy.

But as I wrote before. Anything will sell at the right price.
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Re: Selling a cutie pie house but ...

You did come here because you want to sell the house?

So basically the advice given here is not relevant for you and you do not want to post photo´s (that might help as advice could be given on what to improve, better angle, different perspective).

So what DO you want from the forum?
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I am not looking for opinions on my property. I know it's advantages & disadvantages.
You are - by posting - but only want supportive ones and reassurance.

The truth is, no matter how hard it is to stomach, but what it is your place is over priced - if it wasn't it would have sold.

I have been there and done that - and had an agent say it was worth X - then revalue down 10% - with us realising that knocking another 10% off is the actual value.
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Re: Selling a cutie pie house but ...

surely you could post more info, maybe some photos and approx. asking price without revealing any real details, no?
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. A cutie pie house is just an expression to mean it's not a pig sty, it's not a palace. It's a nice little house which I find cute.
That's probably part of your problem. What you find cute is neither here nor there.

Perhaps you need to be a bit more objective in your approach?

(Considering the vagueness of this thread, that's good advice).
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I think she may be referring to these bits.
It seems that the house has been completely repainted and is empty as they are living in another house so she sees your comments about removing clutter and photos etc as irrelevant to her..
Neddy, I am going to try to answer you about how we got on - we bought, we sold, we bought and built.

Neddy are you not present at the house or nearby?

Because if not, that would rule out my absolute number one suggestion/solution - sack the agents and do it yourself. Estate agents never have a good press but nowhere was that more merited than the agents who work here in CH. I interviewed about 6 different agencies for our sale - big and small- and was astounded in some cases at the waste of money (the glossiest of glossy brochures for a regular family home in a not swanky area - which YOU pay for) and the total lack of any specialised knowledge that they were coming at your property from.

Most of the time they seem to put up dreary details on their website and link to them on comparis and homegate. You could do that. Well, I thought I could so i did.

Homegate ad, subscription to weebly for the website and 200 chf roughly to a contact on EF who translated the details into perfect German - total sales cost 400 chf - as opposed to the 40,000 they were going to take.

The problem with agents is they price with little accuracy (have they explained their valuation *ahem* "model" to you?) and due to their enormous fee, price into that already inaccurate figure a margin to make you feel comfortable about them charging that fee. It is THIS behaviour that has created a buying public who walk through your front door and ask for 100 000 chf off the asking price because they are going to do works. They are not being unrealistic about their budget. They are accurately assessing that the agents are being unrealistic about the price you are selling at.

When buying this place we tried looking at a few others (a couple through contacts a couple with agents). The first one shown to us by an agent was in the road where we already owned building land so we had a fair idea of the costs of land and building. It was 2 years old. It was on for a high price and as I had been shown around, I ended up saying "ok so where's the rest?" "What do you mean, the rest?" "Well at this price, there simply HAS to be more house for the money" ...

The agents in the two cantons I have lived in have all shown themselves to be a breed apart when it comes to being useless. I would imagine that agents who until recently were profiting from CH's most inflated property bubble would be even more useless at accurately assessing the current worth of your house. The banks are not much better (ask them to explain their valuation model).

Turn it on its head. How much do you need? Not how much you would ideally like, but how much do you actually need? We did this, and sold in a non property bubble area in 2 days.
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