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TobiasM 10.04.2015 09:56

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Originally Posted by makas (Post 2372237)
  • You don't yet have the rejection letter. Please keep a positive attitude, and avoid thinking "if they receive any other aplication, he / she will be immediately accepted and i will get my rejection letter".
  • Finding a flat in CH is hard; but not so hard. Is there anything that you're not being truthful about? For example, L-permit? Problems with police records or past debt?



No it is ridiculously hard, especially as an Ausländer, you need to have the Vitamin B as they say, its who you know! Otherwise you register with your local Wohnungsbaugenossenschaft, they get all the offers first, before going onto the open market.


Good luck with your application, I hope you get it.

MathNut 10.04.2015 10:02

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Originally Posted by makas (Post 2372237)
  • Finding a flat in CH is hard; but not so hard. Is there anything that you're not being truthful about? For example, L-permit? Problems with police records or past debt?

Mmm, I think it is that hard, with the search criteria she's given.

Location is the big one. Luzern is not a huge place, central Luzern even less so. If you live in Zürich, imagine trying to find a new apartment - one that's affordable, in good condition, etc. - within let's say a 250m radius of the Grossmünster. Are there any? Maybe, from time to time. (There are; I lived in one.) But they certainly don't come up every week, and when they do they are overwhelmed with dozens of other applicants.

Papa Goose 10.04.2015 13:17

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Originally Posted by TobiasM;2372358[B
]No it is ridiculously hard, especially as an Ausländer,[/B]

Apartment hunting is as hard as you choose to make it. For sure in a market where demand way outstrips supply it's harder, so you have to think a little a little more laterally about things like location and your personal situation, a compromise if you will. Anyone with any sense goes to a viewing smartly dressed, arrives punctually, and armed with a stack of papers including employment contracts, references form employer and existing landlord, payslips, bank statements, police and debt clearance certs etc, all trying to make their best efforts to create as good an impression as possible, that is now simply expected.... but so will most of the other viewers. Really, at the end of the day it largely comes down to someone you probably won't meet looking at your dossier and making the decision on financial ability and sustainability and status.

IE. We are a 1 one (but very good) income ausländer couple, speaking little German, and have 3 big dogs:
1 - In the city of Zug we would have zero chance of finding a nice place, and if thats all we applied for we could paper a room with rejection letters. Now would those rejections come from sexist, ausländer despising, dog haters... or someone whose simply thinks that financially DINK's are a safer bet than a SINK's, or dogs (or children) may make too much noise or cause damage?

2 - 15 mins out of the city (by bus)... we have a brand new 4.5 garden apartment, were we can (today) sit in the sun and look at the Zugerberg, watch the kites and hot air balloons, and wonder what the fuss is about. The owner of the haus is Swiss, the other 3 people living in the house are Swiss, and only 1 speaks English, and we were the only ausländers to view, everyone else was Swiss.

We have applied for 4 apartments in total in Switzerland, got 3 and we withdrew the application for the other immediately when the unspotted church bell tower sprung into life as we were leaving. Being realistic about your attractiveness to an agent/landlord as a tenant is the key, especially if your name is going to be thrown in with a whole bunch of others.

BokerTov 10.04.2015 18:58

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Cascabel, I am a bit late to the game, but at this point, if you are not prepared to give in on any of your search criteria (which are quite restrictive in the very limited market you're looking at), unless you're really strapped for cash, I would strongly recommend that you follow the advice of Mrs. Doolittle and hire an agent to help you out.

I know some people will say that agents are useless, won't do more than what you can do yourself, etc. I personally found that an agent was essential when I was looking for a place in Zurich. My situation was different than yours, but I also had a list of "limitations": spoke no German, wanted to stay in Zurich only a year (then ended up staying longer, but that's another story), wanted to be walking distance from my office, and most of all, I had NO TIME to do the homework associated with the house search. I moved to Switzerland into a temporary apartment, and a week later I was already traveling around for work.

My agent was priceless: she was handling all the paperwork, "weeding out" things that looked cool on paper but maybe were not what I was looking for, or things I would have no chance of getting so why bother. She advised me when my expectations were not consistent with the reality of the market (i.e. you want an extra room, you need to increase your budget by X, etc.) and most of all, she was someone with 20+ years of experience in the Zurich market, born and raised in Zurich, lived there all her life, who knew a lot of the apartment agencies on a personal basis, and even a couple of the private landlords of places we saw. We applied for the apartment I liked, and got it.

Maybe I am biased by my stellar experience with the agent and maybe I was extremely lucky or both, but I think that the agent knowing her market from inside out and having personal contacts made all the difference in the world.

Good luck!

3Wishes 10.04.2015 19:10

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Originally Posted by BokerTov (Post 2372680)
...My agent was priceless...

Nice post, BT. :) Any chance your agent has a colleague or friend in OP's area that she would be willing to recommend? Just thinking a "personal" connection might help.

Mrs. Doolittle 11.04.2015 01:53

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Originally Posted by 3Wishes (Post 2372685)
Nice post, BT. :) Any chance your agent has a colleague or friend in OP's area that she would be willing to recommend? Just thinking a "personal" connection might help.

I already gave the OP the name of someone who can help her.

Cascabel 16.04.2015 18:20

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Magic might happen tomorrow or next week.. I am confident and positive :msngrin::msngrin:

Quafadas 16.04.2015 19:52

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It can take a while; I second and third the network like crazy plan.


For me, my colleague had to marry his girlfriend a buy a house in the country so they could have babies, all so I could have his flat. I had the same restrictions as a 'dumbkopf!' expat (because I am a 'dumbpokf!' expat).


I think I knew that the places I really wanted would never reach the open market; and if they did I wouldn't get them. In the end I was second on a recommendation list to the landlord (to this day I have no idea why the first person said no); and the landlord had to do no work. You need to be lucky I think.


I'd given up actively looking; but it went from 'maybe' to signed contract in a week. When it happens it'll happen quickly, and you only need to be in the right place at the right time once! Just make sure you're repeatedly having lunch with everyone - people forget! (Also including the people you met once out cycling 8 months ago and haven't spoken to since !). Have lunch with them too.

Dechen01 16.04.2015 21:14

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I don't know if you know this http://www.alle-immobilien.ch/apartm...To=3.0&size=20

Cascabel 21.04.2015 19:56

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And magic happened! I have found a new flat per the first of August 2015!

:):):):):):):):):):)

Guest 21.04.2015 20:32

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Originally Posted by Cascabel (Post 2378241)
And magic happened! I have found a new flat per the first of August 2015!

:):):):):):):):):):)

Curious: Did you use the letter? ;)
And is it in Luzern?

Anyway, congratulations!

Cascabel 21.04.2015 20:42

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Curious: Did you use the letter? ;)
And is it in Luzern?

Anyway, congratulations!
Hi Glowjupiter,

I did not use your kind letter for this application but did for others that did not worked. And yes, it is in Luzern and near my current appartment.

I feel lucky and grateful to all of you.. :)

doropfiz 21.04.2015 20:43

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Originally Posted by Cascabel (Post 2378241)
And magic happened! I have found a new flat per the first of August 2015!

:):):):):):):):):):)



Oh, wonderful news!
Thanks, Cascabel, for sharing this with us!
I am really, really pleased for you, and wish you all the best in planning the move, and in getting rid of your current flat.


Oh, I'm just so very glad to know that some goodnes has come your way...

mhk 21.04.2015 20:55

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1. giving up is good !. have the attitude "I would ideally have another flat but can make do with this one". Will increase your chances
2. go for more expensive ones if you can afford
3. search for some facebook groups in your area,if its on homegate already too late
4. go where the tenant wants to sell his furniture, offer to buy all of it


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