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Old 04.04.2015, 11:37
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If you rent a flat/property in ch

Again and again, people who rent a flat or house in Switzerland come to this Forum - often at the last minute, asking questions about their deposits, damage to appliances or parquets, floors, etc at the time of leaving - and there is little anyone here can do to help.

There is a Swiss Tenant's Association, Asloca in the French part, Mietverband in the German part, that can help with all your questions about contracts, abusive rents, damage, deposits, and much much more. But they will only give assistance and especially legal assistance and visit to your property for assessment, etc, if you have been a member for 3 months or more

www.asloca.ch

Membership is only 51CHF for a whole year, with an extra joining fee of 29CHF for your first year. Their advice and practical help can save you 1000s- so don't skimp and join as soon as you become a tenant. Just not worth being without- as people find here time and time again.
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I've seen this 3 month waiting period written a couple of times but it wasn't the case in my experience. I joined on the day (after my meeting with the lawyer) and didn't have any waiting period
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Again and again, people who rent a flat or house in Switzerland come to this Forum - often at the last minute, asking questions about their deposits, damage to appliances or parquets, floors, etc at the time of leaving - and there is little anyone here can do to help.

There is a Swiss Tenant's Association, Asloca in the French part, Mietverband in the German part, that can help with all your questions about contracts, abusive rents, damage, deposits, and much much more. But they will only give assistance and especially legal assistance and visit to your property for assessment, etc, if you have been a member for 3 months or more

www.asloca.ch for Romandie
www.mieterverband.ch for the German speaking part
www.asi-infoalloggio.ch for the Italian-speaking part of CH


Membership is only 51CHF for a whole year, with an extra joining fee of 29CHF for your first year. Their advice and practical help can save you 1000s- so don't skimp and join as soon as you become a tenant. Just not worth being without- as people find here time and time again.

Membership fees depend on canton - in ZH its 90 CHF per year. You can check fees by selecting your canton's organization on the websites listing above and looking for "Mitgliederbeiträge/Gebühren".

You can also sign up for renter's liability insurance (only valid for the apartment you're currently living in), it's quite cheap.

Also, know that legal help (at least in Zürich) will not be paid for by the MV unless you have been a member for at least 3 months before the occurence you're seeking legal assistance for happened. So - as Odile says - join rather immediately when signing the lease for a flat and make sure to change Sektionen/region when switching cantons.
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I've seen this 3 month waiting period written a couple of times but it wasn't the case in my experience. I joined on the day (after my meeting with the lawyer) and didn't have any waiting period
Non-members don't need to wait to receive legal aid, but they need to financially cover legal aid out of their own pockets before the 3 months are up.

"Vertretung durch Anwalt

Nur für Mitglieder

Die Vermittlung einer Vertrauensanwältin oder eines Vertrauensanwalts erfolgt im Rahmen der persönlichen Mietrechtsberatung. Unsere Fachleute besprechen mit Ihnen, ob für das Verfahren vor der Schlichtungsbehörde die Vertretung durch eine Anwältin oder einen Anwalt erforderlich ist.

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Karenzfrist der Mieter-Rechtsschutzversicherung und Kosten

Die Rechtsschutzversicherung übernimmt die über den Selbstbehalt hinausgehenden Kosten, wenn sie zum Zeitpunkt des Schadenereignisses seit mindestens 3 Monaten Mitglied des MV sind (Karenzfrist).
Vor Ablauf der Karenzfrist zahlen Sie den Anwaltstarif (220 Franken pro Stunde) plus allfällige Gerichtskosten.
Nach Ablauf der Karenzfrist zahlen Sie 100 Franken oder 10 Prozent der Kosten (maximal 500 Franken)."

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(text bolded by me)

Anjela, the relevant parts of the text are broadly translated in my text above which I added inside Odile's quote in green. No need to get snarky.

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Re: If you rent a flat/property in ch

You were lucky Porsche.

Sorry, had no idea that fees change from Canton to Kanton. So, as usual, Neuchâtel is much cheaper and service much better (as P didn't have to wait 3 months and got legal help the day he joined)...

They can also help with advice and warnings re. sub-contracting, taking in a lodger or renting part of your accom, etc. And how to apply for rent reduction if interest rates change, or in case of inconvenience (like building works, replacement of heating, etc) and also for cost of repairs to appliances. Great value for money and peace of mind- don't be caught without it.
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Vertretung durch Anwalt

Nur für Mitglieder

Die Vermittlung einer Vertrauensanwältin oder eines Vertrauensanwalts erfolgt im Rahmen der persönlichen Mietrechtsberatung. Unsere Fachleute besprechen mit Ihnen, ob für das Verfahren vor der Schlichtungsbehörde die Vertretung durch eine Anwältin oder einen Anwalt erforderlich ist.

Terminvereinbarung 044 296 90 20 (Mo-Fr: 9-12h und 13.30-17h)

Karenzfrist der Mieter-Rechtsschutzversicherung und Kosten

Die Rechtsschutzversicherung übernimmt die über den Selbstbehalt hinausgehenden Kosten, wenn sie zum Zeitpunkt des Schadenereignisses seit mindestens 3 Monaten Mitglied des MV sind (Karenzfrist).
Vor Ablauf der Karenzfrist zahlen Sie den Anwaltstarif (220 Franken pro Stunde) plus allfällige Gerichtskosten.
Nach Ablauf der Karenzfrist zahlen Sie 100 Franken oder 10 Prozent der Kosten (maximal 500 Franken).

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And in English this means????

At your request I took time to translate quite a long french text in one of your links yesterday, couldn't you at least do the same for those of us who don't speak german?

This is the English Forum and one of the rules here is that you provide a translation of a post if it's in anything other than english.
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Non-members don't need to wait to receive legal aid, but they need to financially cover legal aid out of their own pockets before the 3 months are up.

"Vertretung durch Anwalt

Nur für Mitglieder

Die Vermittlung einer Vertrauensanwältin oder eines Vertrauensanwalts erfolgt im Rahmen der persönlichen Mietrechtsberatung. Unsere Fachleute besprechen mit Ihnen, ob für das Verfahren vor der Schlichtungsbehörde die Vertretung durch eine Anwältin oder einen Anwalt erforderlich ist.

Terminvereinbarung 044 296 90 20 (Mo-Fr: 9-12h und 13.30-17h)

Karenzfrist der Mieter-Rechtsschutzversicherung und Kosten

Die Rechtsschutzversicherung übernimmt die über den Selbstbehalt hinausgehenden Kosten, wenn sie zum Zeitpunkt des Schadenereignisses seit mindestens 3 Monaten Mitglied des MV sind (Karenzfrist).
Vor Ablauf der Karenzfrist zahlen Sie den Anwaltstarif (220 Franken pro Stunde) plus allfällige Gerichtskosten.
Nach Ablauf der Karenzfrist zahlen Sie 100 Franken oder 10 Prozent der Kosten (maximal 500 Franken)."

MV Source
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My German is non existent so I'm using google translate but I think we are talking about two different things here. Going and meeting with an MV lawyer to ask for advice and get official letters etc. written is different from being represented by a lawyer at the 'conciliation board'.

When I went to the conciliation board (in La Chaux-de-Fonds, Neuchatel) the court costs were 0 and a lawyer was provided for my landlord myself by the board at no cost. I was also provided with a French to English translator at no cost to myself. The lawyer didn't actually do anything and it was myself and the landlord's agency representative answering questions from the judge and putting our case forward.

The letter to the conciliation board and the request for a translator etc. was all done on my first meeting with ASLOCA. So no luck involved.

https://www.mieterverband.ch/mv-zh/h...tberatung.html

I think this is the link which most people would be initially using rather than the legal representation one.
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@glowjupiter... that response is pathetic. Not unexpected, but still pathetic.
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Sorry, had no idea that fees change from Canton to Kanton. So, as usual, Neuchâtel is much cheaper and service much better (as P didn't have to wait 3 months and got legal help the day he joined)...

They can also help with advice and warnings re. sub-contracting, taking in a lodger or renting part of your accom, etc. And how to apply for rent reduction if interest rates change, or in case of inconvenience (like building works, replacement of heating, etc) and also for cost of repairs to appliances. Great value for money and peace of mind- don't be caught without it.
The services offered also vary.

It may be cheaper to join in Neuchâtel but ASLOCA here doesn't offer the service of a representative being present at the appartment/house handover which is available in the German speaking part via MV.
I am sure there are other differences too.
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And in English this means????

At your request I took time to translate quite a long french text in one of your links yesterday, couldn't you at least do the same for those of us who don't speak german?

This is the English Forum and one of the rules here is that you provide a translation of a post if it's in anything other than english.
That's true.

My German isn't bad and I understand most of it but it us still really annoying to be confronted by a whole heap of text in German and have to translate it. Not everybody can read and understand German so it's common courtesy to provide a translation. ( even just a rough one).
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That's true.

My German isn't bad and I understand most of it but it us still really annoying to be confronted by a whole heap of text in German and have to translate it. Not everybody can read and understand German so it's common courtesy to provide a translation. ( even just a rough one).

Not only that but it's the rules of the forum. But I got tired of constantly repeating myself as our dear commrades on the German side don't really care to comply and our mods, well, they are busy doing much more interesting stuff.
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