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Old 20.04.2015, 13:33
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Undeclared colocation and residence permit

Hello,
I'm an EU citizen, and in May I'll begin a PhD in Lausanne.
I don't have a residence permit, but I already signed the work contract.

After having searched for a few months for a colocation, I finally found a place (private room) to stay for 3 months.

I visited the apartment, the owner looks OK, but:
  1. he wants to have the caution sent to his bank account when the rent period begins, not to a caution deposit account (I'll pay with a payment order, of course!)
  2. he says that there will be a small contract signed by both of us
  3. he doesn't want to declare me as living with him (to avoid paying more taxes)
From 3. follows that I cannot register to the commune: does that mean that I cannot apply to a residence permit?
Is it really necessary for the first three months? (I'd basically work and live as a EU tourist)
Is 3. even legal???

Is this a common procedure for first temporary housings? It looks too shady...

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Old 20.04.2015, 13:47
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Re: Undeclared colocation and residence permit

1. You cannot work as a tourist, you must have a residence permit and health insurance.

2. I'd walk away if he is being dodgy with the deposit and such like.
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Old 20.04.2015, 14:47
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Re: Undeclared colocation and residence permit

1. and 3. are a very bad combination - you have no protection with 1. and as you're not registered very little chance to complain officially.

Then when you come to register - how do you explain the first three months?

Also, is he even the owner? Another reason for this is he could be renting himself and doing an unauthorised sub-let, in which case you could find yourself kicked out by the real owner if they find out.
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Old 20.04.2015, 14:57
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Re: Undeclared colocation and residence permit

Thank you, I turned that down

Another question
I found another room from the 4th of May (it's all legal this time! ), but my contract starts from the 1st of May, so I'll have to work for one day without a permit

Can I request the residence permit whilst staying in a hotel?
If I leave the country in the weekend from 1/5 to 4/5, should I also declare my departure? (to save up some money, and to bring up my stuff for the relocation)
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Old 20.04.2015, 15:14
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Re: Undeclared colocation and residence permit

Well the first of May is a bank holiday and a Friday… will you be working that day? The permit office won't be open.

I'd do everything from the 4th of May if you can. If you sign in on the 30th of April, you will have to pay health insurance for all of April.

But yes you can apply for a permit whilst staying in a hotel, but when you change your address you have to update your details and that costs more money.

No need to declare any departure unless you leave to live somewhere else.
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Old 20.04.2015, 15:21
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Re: Undeclared colocation and residence permit

You don't need a work permit as an EU citizen up to three months:

https://www.ch.ch/en/working-switzerland-eu-efta

You do need a residence permit for longer than that, but you can do that within a certain time of arriving. I think it's two weeks but it was quite a while ago I did it (that seems to be the standard period for notifying lots of official stuff like address changes).
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You don't need a work permit as an EU citizen up to three months:

https://www.ch.ch/en/working-switzerland-eu-efta

You do need a residence permit for longer than that, but you can do that within a certain time of arriving. I think it's two weeks but it was quite a while ago I did it (that seems to be the standard period for notifying lots of official stuff like address changes).
No. But the OP is here for more than 3 months, so must start off with a normal permit. The online registration is for people working less than 3 months total.

You have 8 days to register… but you must register BEFORE starting work.
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Re: Undeclared colocation and residence permit

Where is it documented regarding registration before starting work?

I'm not challenging it, but I had a contract from 1st January, arrived on the 2nd, started work on the 3rd and registered on the 5th - the gemeinde were completely happy with that.
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Where is it documented regarding registration before starting work?

I'm not challenging it, but I had a contract from 1st January, arrived on the 2nd, started work on the 3rd and registered on the 5th - the gemeinde were completely happy with that.
It says it on the application form in bold letters

"Das Gesuch muss vor der Arbeitsaufnahme hinterlegt sein"
The application must be filed before starting work

http://gemeinde.zermatt.ch/pdf/ed/Gesuch-EU-25-EFTA.pdf
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Re: Undeclared colocation and residence permit

Thanks - OP should definitely register at first possible opportunity then, could be I was just lucky (although I've always found the gemeinde to be helpful), or the rules have changed.

The SG form is much less clear - it only says it in the accompanying notes at the bottom in fine print!
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Thank you, I turned that down

Another question
I found another room from the 4th of May (it's all legal this time! ), but my contract starts from the 1st of May, so I'll have to work for one day without a permit

Can I request the residence permit whilst staying in a hotel?
If I leave the country in the weekend from 1/5 to 4/5, should I also declare my departure? (to save up some money, and to bring up my stuff for the relocation)
I recently had this exact issue come up with a new employee. I called Lausanne migrations office and they said that our new employee could start work before applying for the permit. The new person is EU17.

You need to apply within the first x days (8 or 14, I can't remember).

If in doubt, call the migrations office in Lausanne yourself. You might as well go on the site becuase they list all the documents you need. You will need a birth certificate, ID/passport, work contract. That I remember. I can't remember if there is more.

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Old 20.04.2015, 19:44
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It says it on the application form in bold letters

"Das Gesuch muss vor der Arbeitsaufnahme hinterlegt sein"
The application must be filed before starting work

http://gemeinde.zermatt.ch/pdf/ed/Gesuch-EU-25-EFTA.pdf
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I recently had this exact issue come up with a new employee. I called Lausanne migrations office and they said that our new employee could start work before applying for the permit. The new person is EU17.

You need to apply within the first x days (8 or 14, I can't remember).

If in doubt, call the migrations office in Lausanne yourself. You might as well go on the site becuase they list all the documents you need. You will need a birth certificate, ID/passport, work contract. That I remember. I can't remember if there is more.

Good luck.
This should make it clear:

Gainful employment of more than 3 months
Within 14 days of their arrival and before actually taking up work, nationals of EU-25/EFTA states have to register with the local authorities of the commune in which they are residing and apply for a residence permit. A valid ID or passport and a written confirmation of employment (e.g. the contract of employment containing details of the duration of employment and the number of working hours) have to be presented. A residence permit will be issued depending on the duration of employment: a short-term residence permit (type L permit) for employment of up to 364 days or a residence permit (type B permit) for employment of at least one year or for an unlimited period.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...hweiz/faq.html

Erazor, if you have already agreed the rental of a place then you can use that address for your application. There's really no point in giving the hotel address if you're only going to be there for 2/3 nights. If you were going to be staying there for a few weeks yes, a few nights no. If you have agreed to rent a place when you arrive, the migration office will probably want to see that contract too so bring it with you. Do make sure your name is on the rental place's mail box though so your post gets delivered.

And Island Monkey May 1st isn't a holiday everywhere in Switzerland, only certain cantons. It isn't a holiday here in Fribourg nor is it in Vaud so the migration office will be open that day. He can go there first thing before he goes to work.
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Old 20.04.2015, 20:30
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Re: Undeclared colocation and residence permit

Thank you, I'm writing to the population control office of Vaud.

Actually, one month ago I asked something similar to the Service du contrôle des habitants of Lausanne (which should be the same, but has a different mail, though), and they told me I could already work and wait 3-4 weeks before registering to the commune

Maybe it's an unclear rule for everyone
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Thank you, I'm writing to the population control office of Vaud.

Actually, one month ago I asked something similar to the Service du contrôle des habitants of Lausanne (which should be the same, but has a different mail, though), and they told me I could already work and wait 3-4 weeks before registering to the commune

Maybe it's an unclear rule for everyone

Like I said I just had this same issue about a month ago with an EU employee who started work then went to register at the commune in Lausanne a few days later.

I called Lausanne and they said it was fine and when she went in it was fine.

But you do what you feel comfortable with.
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