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[Sold house/apartment] Cleaning on leaving?

We all know the Swiss rules on cleaning rented accommodation on terminating a tenancy. (If you don't you're in for a shock.)

But what about when you sell a house / flat /condo that you own? Do similar rules apply?

In the UK, it is generally a tradition to leave your house in a condition inversely proportional to the how much aggro the new buyer gave you during the purchase process - and how much they knocked down your asking price. But what about in Switzerland??
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We all know the Swiss rules on cleaning rented accommodation on terminating a tenancy. (If you don't you're in for a shock.)

But what about when you sell a house / flat /condo that you own? Do similar rules apply?

In the UK, it is generally a tradition to leave your house in a condition inversely proportional to the how much aggro the new buyer gave you during the purchase process - and how much they knocked down your asking price. But what about in Switzerland??
Swiss guy at work just handed over the keys for his house last night, said his wife spent the day cleaning it. Even though the new people are getting builders in straight away.

Seems to imply that the 'hand over a clean house' rule applies to privately owned property as well
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Old 29.04.2008, 11:28
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We all know the Swiss rules on cleaning rented accommodation on terminating a tenancy. (If you don't you're in for a shock.)

But what about when you sell a house / flat /condo that you own? Do similar rules apply?

In the UK, it is generally a tradition to leave your house in a condition inversely proportional to the how much aggro the new buyer gave you during the purchase process - and how much they knocked down your asking price. But what about in Switzerland??
We bought our place earlier this year and it was in the purchase agreement that the property was to be handed over in a spotless condition. I'm pretty sure the Swiss expect it as we did not ask for that clause to be in there.
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Old 29.04.2008, 11:54
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Re: Cleaning house/flat on leaving - that you own

The new build we bought had a team of cleaners in the day before we moved in. The sellers also delivered chilled Champagne and flowers the morning after we slept there.
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Old 29.04.2008, 11:56
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Re: Cleaning house/flat on leaving - that you own

A newbuild would absolutely need a good cleaning!

But if I sold my place, I'd get it professionally cleaned and ensure that my asking price was at a level including the 2500 or so it would cost.

AbFab, the title confuddled me for a sec (I know, I know) so I've made it clearer
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Old 29.04.2008, 12:06
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Re: Cleaning house/flat on leaving - that you own

Perhaps it depends on whether the sales contract includes a clause which stipulates that the seller must ensure that the property is professionally cleaned prior to handover of the property. Otherwise, I would have thought it would be acceptable to just hand it over in a generally clean state.
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Re: [Sold house/apartment] Cleaning on leaving?

I have just sold my apartment to a Swiss. I had the apartment professionally cleaned but not the carpets as the new owner had specified to my Agent that he was removing all the carpets and having wood flooring throughout.

I got a telephone call on the day he moved in complaing that the carpets needed professionally cleaning and he would be sending me the bill. I told the story to my ex neighbour and she confirmed that in fact as soon as the carpets had been cleaned ( and they were NOT in a bad state for 10 year old ones) the very next day the wood flooring layers moved in and ripped out all the freshly cleaned carpets.

So when the cleaning bill arrived I refused to pay and so far I haven't heard a word from the new owners!
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Swiss guy at work just handed over the keys for his house last night, said his wife spent the day cleaning it. Even though the new people are getting builders in straight away.

Seems to imply that the 'hand over a clean house' rule applies to privately owned property as well
Ah, but there is a massive difference between "the wife spent a day and cleaned the house" and what is required/expected to move out of a rental place. Where you need to hiring a professional cleaning company, who guarantee their work and cost about CHF 1500 for a 3 room place.
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Old 29.04.2008, 13:03
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Re: [Sold house/apartment] Cleaning on leaving?

[quote=AbFab;216380]We all know the Swiss rules on cleaning rented accommodation on terminating a tenancy. (If you don't you're in for a shock.)
When we moved from Basel, the rule in cleaning rented accomodation there was only 'Broom-clean'. Probably changed their minds since then though.
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The new build we bought had a team of cleaners in the day before we moved in. The sellers also delivered chilled Champagne and flowers the morning after we slept there.

That sounds like selling in style. First I've ever heard of such a thing.
Must've been a sweet surprise.
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We bought our place earlier this year and it was in the purchase agreement that the property was to be handed over in a spotless condition. I'm pretty sure the Swiss expect it as we did not ask for that clause to be in there.
Yes, our contract also had a statement like that... Well, it didn't say spotless.
I was surprised to find that although the house was super clean (it was during all the visits too) they left big holes in the walls from shelves and paintings, etc.
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Re: [Sold house/apartment] Cleaning on leaving?

We bought our house 'as is' - meaning that the sellers made no guarantee of the condition of the house whatsoever. (Fine by us, as we planned to gut the house and renovate.)

The house was filthy when the sellers moved out - including dirty dishes in the sink and old food left in the fridge.

When we sell, I'll still include the 'as is' clause, even though the house is now in outstanding condition, and I'll have a professional cleaning service do a move out cleaning - including the clause I think covers the seller from unreasonable demands by the buyer.
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The new build we bought had a team of cleaners in the day before we moved in. The sellers also delivered chilled Champagne and flowers the morning after we slept there.
This sounds as if people in Zurich really care about people who bought their house. Which is exactly the opposite of the attitude in Geneva and the surroundings and shows you how diverse Switzerland is.

We found that owners, as opposed to tenants, usually do not care much about maintenance and have absolutely no intention of fixing or cleaning anything for you. And I would be very surprised to get any flowers from them.

What they advertise as 'in impeccable condition' is often something that simply does not require tearing out the kitchen and retiling the bathrooms.

I asked an agent once whether there is a requirement on the seller to leave a house clean and he laughed at me: when you buy, you take it 'as it is', dirty dishes and all.

Hey, but that is a small concession to make for the privilege of someone agreeing to sell their precious house to you...
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