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Need a furnished "PETS FRIENDLY" short term rental in Zurich for 3-4 months

Hi I'm new here and I don't see people with the same problem I have. So, I start a new problem for you guys to help me solve.

I'm planning to relocate to Zurich area and starting a restaurant business there next year. I want to do a test run by living there for 3-4 months while I look for all the details needed to open a new restaurant.

The biggest problem is I'm bringing my dog, a 24 Kg Thai Ridgeback and a cat with me. So I need a furnished apartment, since I will not be hauling my bed and etc. with me yet. I really have a hard time finding a place that will let me keep both animals.

The first set of problem is I don't know German yet.
The second I don't know where to look.

If anyone can help point me to the right direction, I will be really thankful. I am planning to go in mid or late October and stay until the end of January. Also in the beginning of December. I will need to look for a place where I can board them for a week or ten days as well since I will be going to Bangkok for that period.

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Re: Need a furnished "PETS FRIENDLY" short term rental in Zurich for 3-4 months

On the surface it would seem you don't have a problem. If you are coming to open a restaurant your likely well off already. As such, finding a place that accepts pets should be a non issue in the upper price ranges.

Just find a pet friendly air bnb till you're sorted.
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Re: Need a furnished "PETS FRIENDLY" short term rental in Zurich for 3-4 months

Air BNB that is pets friendly is very few and very far from the center of town, unfortunately. Not only that, they're over 3,000 CHF/ month. I am not consider myself wealthy yet and still have to be reasonable about the budget. I want to put the money in the restaurant project instead of burn through it with rent.

Is there any sublease website that I can go look for.
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Re: Need a furnished "PETS FRIENDLY" short term rental in Zurich for 3-4 months

Miranti, your Thai Ridgeback is considered a List 1 dog in canton Zürich, a breed that due to it's size is subject to additional training courses above and beyond the federal mandatory courses.

What this may mean for your planned visit is that that although you are here as a tourist (and thus not yet subject to the mandatory 1 training courses) you can expect some, possibly many, people to be wary.

A Thai Ridgeback is a large, powerful dog - one that many (uninformed but likely vocal) people often mistake for one of the breeds banned in canton Zürich - meaning you may find you have something of a target painted on your back.

It's unfortunate, but Switzerland is increasingly intolerant of certain breeds; canton Zürich introduced BSL 5 years ago in response to a public referendum set in motion by a increasing fear of certain dogs among the general public.

Given typical Swiss attitudes you may have difficulties finding accomodation as a tourist not only because you have a dog but because of your dog's breed. Bottom line, you should plan to pay up if necessary to find someone who will allow you and your dog. Oddly enough, the expensive end of the market is where you tend to find more tolerance.

You might run into more difficulties than a resident would, as because you are not yet subject to the List 1 courses you won't have a certificate to show a landlord that your dog is a 'good citizen'.

Another issue is liability insurance. As a non-resident you can't (generally) take out Swiss liability insurance so you will need to be prepared to show that you can cover any animal related damage costs yourself - think many thousands. .

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As part of you fact-finding mission prior to your move to Switzerland, you need to understand the laws affecting your dog, as well as what to expect in terms of public attitudes.

(For instance, the Thai Ridgeback is banned in canton GE. )

Once resident, you will have to go through the ZH List 1 courses, so make learning about that, and all of federal and cantonal dog law, part of your agenda while on your trial visit.

FYI, the ZH cantonal dog law is summarized here by the good folks at Tier Im Recht:
http://www.tierimrecht.org/de/tiersc...ht/zuerich.php

And federal law summarized here, on the BLV's lay person's portall, Mein Heimtier:

www.meinheimtier.ch

(The Mein Heimtier site is down at the moment, wait a few days, hopefully it will be back up. If not, you need to wade through the jungle that is the BLV site, starting here:
http://www.blv.admin.ch/themen/tiers...x.html?lang=de

You can also find the importation requirements for Switzerland, which you will need to bring your cat and dog with you on your visit.

Owners of certain breeds cannot afford to put a paw wrong in Switzerland.

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FYI, as you mentioned 3-4 months:

Do you have EU citizenship in additon to American?

An American is restricted to the Schegen limits for a visit - that is, three months. Beyond that you need a residence permit, something very difficult for an American to get. What permit had you planned on applying for in order to open a restuarant? (Note that self employment is generally not accepted as a means to a permit.)

So be aware of time limits - also for your dog. ANIS registration requirements kick in at three months... which starts the ball rolling on all other cantonal and federal legislation. Do not stay one day beyond your legal limit as a tourist, as doing so can have repercussions for your dog.
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Re: Need a furnished "PETS FRIENDLY" short term rental in Zurich for 3-4 months

I know about the 90 days limit but I'm leaving in the beginning of December for 10 days to go to Bangkok. So, that's not the problem with the long stay but the dog issue. OMG I didn't know it's that severe.

I'm Thai and I have this breed since I'm 5 years old. I know my dog and can control her pretty well. Should I try to get the companion dog (CD) here in the US? I know she can pass for that very easily but I just don't have time.

There are a lot of people who don't know the breed and breed them in EU. That's very sad for the breed. I know a good breeder, Roland Juchli in Schneisingen, Sri Fah Thai. I will ask him about how to get the permit. (I use google translate to find out the information, my apology if I don't call certain paperwork wrong.)

I think I can show my bank statement or should I do something else about the insurance? I can certainly buy some kind of insurance.
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Thai Ridgeback by nature isn't a scary dog but without proper socialized in the first year of their life, they will be quite protective of their territories. The owner need to curb their instinct. I actually don't like people exporting the breed out of the country without the proper training and I mean training the owner not the dog. They're powerful but not the their owners, with the owners they're pretty silly and loyal same as all the others.

I'm so sad that this breed has been banned in GE. I've heard about that already but the irresponsible owners and the breeders are to blame. My dog is a therapy dog that visiting the senior home every week. She've got a certain fans of her there who love her velvet hair.

So saddddd...
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I know about the 90 days limit but I'm leaving in the beginning of December for 10 days to go to Bangkok. So, that's not the problem with the long stay
Are you sure? The exerpt below implies that you are allowed 90 days out of 180 as a tourist.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sche...ntry_nationals

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The entry requirements for third country nationals who intend to stay in the Schengen Area for not more than 90 days in any 180 day period are as follows:
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Re: Need a furnished "PETS FRIENDLY" short term rental in Zurich for 3-4 months

Midfield is correct, your stay in the entire Schegen zone cannot exceed 90 days in 180. You and your pets cannot stay for 4 months.

The ZH list 1 requirements will kick in once you have taken up residency and correctly imported your dog as a resident.

As a tourist they do not apply to you, but you need to be aware of the attitudes you might run into, and how bringing your dog could affect your ability to find tourist accommodation.


If you cannot find a temporary flat that will allow pets, you could put your dog into kennels here (expect to pay 35-100 per day) for the time that you are here, but doing that begs the question: What's the point of bringing him for this temporary visit if he cannot be with you the whole time?

Who knows if US training credentials would sway a landlord. Anything you could do to show that your dog is well trained can't hurt, though.

Bottom line, you should expect this trip to be expensive, you likely need to look at the high end of the temporary accommodation market, where there is more tolerance.

But again, how are you planning on getting a permit to immigrate to Switzerland in the first place? If you don't hold CH or EU citizenship, or are not married to a CH or EU citizen, the options are very limited for non EU folks. Starting a restaurant is not one of them. Before embarking on your trial visit, pets in tow, please make sure you have researched this thoroughly. No sense in putting the pets through the trauma of a transatlantic flight if the ultimate goal is unreachable.
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Re: Need a furnished "PETS FRIENDLY" short term rental in Zurich for 3-4 months

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Air BNB that is pets friendly is very few and very far from the center of town, unfortunately. Not only that, they're over 3,000 CHF/ month. I am not consider myself wealthy yet and still have to be reasonable about the budget. I want to put the money in the restaurant project instead of burn through it with rent.

Is there any sublease website that I can go look for.
This is quite cheap for center of town.....
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I don't need to apply for the Schengen Visa because I am holding an American passport and each entry is allow up to 90 days.
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Opening a restaurant is considered starting a business and only require the insurance and capital to apply for a permit to run the business. After that is just paying taxes. I still not sure about buying an existing business or starting a new one from scratch.
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But starting a business does not automatically give you residency rights.

Have you spoken with the ZH authorities?
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Meloncollie is right, I might have to get a short stay visa.
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I don't need to apply for the Schengen Visa because I am holding an American passport and each entry is allow up to 90 days.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home..._visum/v1.html


B) The maximum duration of short stays within the Schengen Area is 90 days in any 180-day period. The entry and departure dates are also used in the calculation of the duration of stay.


C) For stays in Switzerland of more than 90 days, a residence permit is required. In principle, this residence permit has to be filed before entering Switzerland at the cantonal migration office. The same applies also to nationals of countries who are exempt from the obligation to hold a visa for stays of more than three months.
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Quite honestly, I suggest you stop worrying too much about accomodation with your pets and start checking ALL the information on the subject of living and working here. I think you've a great deal of digging to do.

You mention 'reading' as one of your hobbies, so here's something to read.
Entry and Stay in Switzerland would be a nice beginning. (this is an official site and not just the opinion of a little old lady who is trying to discourage you from coming here).

You are not the first person who is totally amazed at the hurdles and miles of red tape (and green tape and yellow tape) which have to be sorted.
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@meloncollie I already talked to the consulate. Anyone bringing a certain amount of money to start a business, in my case a restaurant, they will issue a permit. I think he said L or something of the like but I have to make a decision first, buying an existing or start from scratch. Buying an existing I just have to show the contract and transaction but starting a new one is trickier. I can only present a business plan unless I can manage to secure a place to rent for a business and of course set up an Ltd/ GmbH is required to get a longer term on the permit.

Don't worry the consulate is really looking at all the documents and bank statements carefully. They won't allow people to go there to just hang out.
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Check out what 'L or something of the like' and 'the consulate is really looking at all the documents and bank statements carefully' really mean for you in the long run.
It's not only a question of whether you have enough money (from their point of view) but also whether you can afford to lose it if a renewal of your short-term Residence Permit is turned down.

I have no idea how these things work. I only read the horror stories on here!

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@Longbyt I talked to the consulate here in Los Angeles all about starting the restaurant business and getting the resident permit, so all of that part is taken care of. Now I need to go there to make my very important decision, to buy a business or to start from scratch. And if my dog and my cat will like to live in that climate. CA is warm and very mild season but Switzerland is much different. Before I go further about my business I want my family members to be happy there too. I can start my business anywhere without having to torture my family.
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Miranti, I am very surprised that someone at the consulate gave you that advice.

I know a good half dozen wealthy Americans who tried to move here on the basis of investment plans, and were essentially laughed at. Few such plans qualify. Those that do are investing millions - as in many millions - in Switzerland.

To come here on an investor visa, the business started needs to be one that will bring significant value to Switzerland.

Switzerland is awash with restuarants. it's a highly risky business, most fail within the first few years. That a consular officer would suggest that this is a route to immigration to Switzerland is... surprising, frankly.

If you already run a successful restaurant empire in the US, if you are planning a corporate expansion into Switzerland, if you are very wealthy - that I could see. But if that were the case, you wouldn't be looking for information on EF - your lawyers would be negotiating this deal. Because that is what it usually takes. Switzerland generally doesn't open it's doors for a non-EU small business.

I would suggest that you actually go through the process of applying before going further. Go to the migrationsamt in Zürich, with your detailed investment plans, see what the 'real decision makers' say.

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But to get back to the issue of your dog.

Has your dog done a long haul flight in cargo before? It's not easy for the dog, and there are risks. That you plan to fly him over for this trial visit, fly him back to the US, then fly him over again if (and please note this is a big 'if) is putting him through quite a bit of stress unnecessarily.

I have flown my dogs around the world several times - and I do not say this lightly: It is not something I would do unless absolutely necessary. In fact, I've been trying to move back to the US for 10 years now, but my various dogs' health issues have meant that flying is simply too risky to undertake. So I am 'stuck' here for the duration.


Can you leave the pets with a friend in the US during your trial visit, where he would be with folks he knows and is comfortable with?

I worry because if you do this wrong you put your dog at risk. And that is not fair.



By the way, is your dog docked or cropped? And do you understand the import process? There are many threads on this subject, do a bit of browsing.


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Who knows - you may prove us all wrong about your permit chances. Do please report back to us, as I am curious.


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I'm also curious - why Switzerland?

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