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LGBT discrimination, unable to find new apartments, HELP!

We are a gay couple living right now in Baden. I am Asian and my partner holds a EU passport. We have been evicted from our apartment from our Swiss landlord, after he knew that I wanted to live in the same apartment my partner rented. He sent twice the cancellation for the lease agreement. The reason is that my partner had not told him that he is homosexual. And more astonishingly, because I have no Swiss/EU passport.

It is a long story but I will keep it short. We seek help from schlichtungsstelle in Baden and they were helpful. However, they could not help us keep the lease agreement on because my landlord insisted that we should be evicted in spite of the effort the government has put. We are DESPERATE. My landlord questioned my nationality and my sex orientation publicly. Nightmare doesn't end here. The biggest problem is that, he has been giving a bad reference to all the landlords of the new apartments we have applied for. We are UNABLE to find a new apartment to live in, even though we are allowed legally to stay. It is crystal clear that, his devastating reference mentioned how such big liar my partner has been (for concealing his homo-identity).

I got my master degree in Switzerland and we both work as IT specialist. I cannot believe how one Swiss is able to so boldly traumatize and ruin our future. He discriminated my sex orientation and nationality. His final goal is to evict us out from Switzerland.

Can you guys suggest what we can do to stay on in Switzerland?
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Old 06.08.2015, 23:38
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We are a gay couple living right now in Baden. I am Asian and my partner holds a EU passport. We have been evicted from our apartment from our Swiss landlord, after he knew that I wanted to live in the same apartment my partner rented. He sent twice the cancellation for the lease agreement. The reason is that my partner had not told him that he is homosexual. And more astonishingly, because I have no Swiss/EU passport.

It is a long story but I will keep it short. We seek help from schlichtungsstelle in Baden and they were helpful. However, they could not help us keep the lease agreement on because my landlord insisted that we should be evicted in spite of the effort the government has put. We are DESPERATE. My landlord questioned my nationality and my sex orientation publicly. Nightmare doesn't end here. The biggest problem is that, he has been giving a bad reference to all the landlords of the new apartments we have applied for. We are UNABLE to find a new apartment to live in, even though we are allowed legally to stay. It is crystal clear that, his devastating reference mentioned how such big liar my partner has been (for concealing his homo-identity).

I got my master degree in Switzerland and we both work as IT specialist. I cannot believe how one Swiss is able to so boldly traumatize and ruin our future. He discriminated my sex orientation and nationality. His final goal is to evict us out from Switzerland.

Can you guys suggest what we can do to stay on in Switzerland?
Welcome to Switzerland, the only advice I can give is to move to a more gay-friendly area, some CHian Aborigines are quite homophobic and xenophobic to boot, save yourself a lot of pain, give him the finger and move on.
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Can you guys suggest what we can do to stay on in Switzerland?
Get married (or registered partnership) ?

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Seriously, you are probably better off without a landlord like that.
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Is it your partners lease?

Overall it sounds like the landlord is either closeted or is truly a hayseed homophobe. Either way let him cancel, move to a friendlier area...no one needs drama like that.

As for staying in Switzerland...its all about permits. Assuming at least one of you has a B permit...getting married will more or less eliminate any questions of status...and give you leverage to avoid discrimination.
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Re: LGBT discrimination, unable to find new apartments, HELP!

Dear Jzinch,

First off, sorry to hear about your bad experience with this landlord. Being confronted with negativity - in whatever form - isn't a nice feeling.

I can't speak for someone else, because people and their opinions can be different then yours.

My advise regarding the negativity would be, take a deep breath, breathe out slowly and focus on your strength.
Remember who you are as a person & surround yourself with the positive vibe & care from family & friends, who love you just as you are!

Sorry to sound 'cheesy' but this line comes to mind:
"That what won't kill you, can only make you stronger"

Second, regarding finding a new place (hopefully surrounded with more tolerant people in the area) have you tried placing adds -locally- in supermarkets, for example?
Instead of going through an agency?

I hope it works out well for you & your partner!

Best of luck to you both!

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Re: LGBT discrimination, unable to find new apartments, HELP!

Shocking !! So sorry to hear !!
All I can suggest/ask is ,
You must be a member of an LGBT forum/club/group/meetup? Do spread the word there? Where do they live? Any empty apartments in the building where they live?


And Who knows, hopefully you'd find a gay landlord there who'd understand you and look at you as a normal human being and look beyond your present landlord's bad references.

I don't see how he could evict you from Switzerland !!

I wish you good luck!!
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Did your partner lie about his sexual orientation, or did he just not mention it since it's none of the landlord's business? The reason I ask is that defaming someone (calling them a liar, or untrustworthy) publicly (in a reference) is probably actionable.

Secondly, on what basis are you living and working in Switzerland? Do you have B, L, C permit or what? Is it tied to your employer? Does your employer give a rat's arse about your sexual preferences?
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FWIW, I know of a Swiss gay couple which went through similar ordeals in rural environments.
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Bin that reference. You don't need it, and just look for a new place without one. The vast majority of landlords don't have a problem with gays. Or choose a company/rental agency as your landlord, then it definitely won't be a problem.
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The vast majority of landlords don't have a problem with gays.
Unless they already have one in their village/Gemeinde
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I think you need to join the Mieterverband for where you live, this ensures if you are discriminated against or a Landlord tries to charge you for damage you did not cause or increase your rent, things like that that there will be legal help and advice. Its a yearly fee something like 100.-, but I think you can also consult with them as non member regarding rental issues.


Its in German
https://www.mieterverband.ch/mv.html
or French
http://www.asloca.ch/
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Sorry to hear such a bad experience.
I hope you guys find a nice apartement soon!
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Thanks slammer. Right now, we are working hard to make it through. And I will update this thread if there is any good news. Thanks again for your support.

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Get married (or registered partnership) ?

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Yeah, we are registered as partners. It is also recorded in the Swiss government system.

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Seriously, you are probably better off without a landlord like that.
Yeah, I totally agree. The thing is, I could have posted this story long time ago, even before the mediation meeting of schlichtungsstelle started. But I grew up in Asia. I have been taught to be polite, patient and generous. It is only since when I got to know he has been spreading false and bad information to all the landlords, I got totally mad.

We are trying hard now to get something. We thank for all the warm supports, which make us feel much less insecure.

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Is it your partners lease?

Overall it sounds like the landlord is either closeted or is truly a hayseed homophobe. Either way let him cancel, move to a friendlier area...no one needs drama like that.

As for staying in Switzerland...its all about permits. Assuming at least one of you has a B permit...getting married will more or less eliminate any questions of status...and give you leverage to avoid discrimination.
Yeah, it is my partners lease. It is funny that, I still remember, when we told him that I wanted to move in, it was right before Christmas. We went downstairs and wished him a merry Christmas. He turned to us with ice-cold frozen face, saying "I do not have time for your 'merry Christmas'" and slammed the door. Such a drama!

Thank god my partner has a B, I can join him using family reunification. Besides, I have found a job in Luxembourg. I have to say people here are much more laid back.

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Dear Jzinch,

First off, sorry to hear about your bad experience with this landlord. Being confronted with negativity - in whatever form - isn't a nice feeling.

I can't speak for someone else, because people and their opinions can be different then yours.

My advise regarding the negativity would be, take a deep breath, breathe out slowly and focus on your strength.
Remember who you are as a person & surround yourself with the positive vibe & care from family & friends, who love you just as you are!

Sorry to sound 'cheesy' but this line comes to mind:
"That what won't kill you, can only make you stronger"

Second, regarding finding a new place (hopefully surrounded with more tolerant people in the area) have you tried placing adds -locally- in supermarkets, for example?
Instead of going through an agency?

I hope it works out well for you & your partner!

Best of luck to you both!

---((-@

Monica
Thank for your reply. We are feeling actually much stronger with you guys' supportive words. And since this happened, we have been feeling more united and connected with each other than ever before.

We are trying our best to find a new apartment. Thanks again!

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Shocking !! So sorry to hear !!
All I can suggest/ask is ,
You must be a member of an LGBT forum/club/group/meetup? Do spread the word there? Where do they live? Any empty apartments in the building where they live?


And Who knows, hopefully you'd find a gay landlord there who'd understand you and look at you as a normal human being and look beyond your present landlord's bad references.

I don't see how he could evict you from Switzerland !!

I wish you good luck!!
That's a good point. We will start to ask other gay people for help. Hopefully they are as supportive as you guys are.

The thing is, me and my partner, we are more "traditional" gays. He focus a lot on his career and I have been also quite engaged in my study. Our social life beside work is nothing more than a blank page. I think we do need to connect more gays or join a local meetup/support group. Thanks again!

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Did your partner lie about his sexual orientation, or did he just not mention it since it's none of the landlord's business? The reason I ask is that defaming someone (calling them a liar, or untrustworthy) publicly (in a reference) is probably actionable.

Secondly, on what basis are you living and working in Switzerland? Do you have B, L, C permit or what? Is it tied to your employer? Does your employer give a rat's arse about your sexual preferences?
I just asked him. He did not mention a thing. It is my landlord's OWN assumption that my partner is straight and will live alone without anybody joining. As I have probably mentioned, he does not really hate my partner, but me.

Evidence:
1) They were totally fine before my landlord knew my existence. That lasted for one year before I moved in.
2) My landlord questioned my partner in the Baden mediation office, "does he (me) EVEN have an EU passport?", showing no respect even I was there listening
3) My landlord said he just wants to kick me out, nothing else, in the mediation meeting.

I just relocated to Luxembourg and found a job here. But I will commute to Switzerland often, because my partner is still there. He has a B. I have applied for family reunification in January. But due to large volume of application, the Aargau immigration office said it is impossible to obtain my permit before my previous student B expires.

Thanks again!

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FWIW, I know of a Swiss gay couple which went through similar ordeals in rural environments.
Before this drama, I have been naively thinking Switzerland is almost 100% percent gay friendly. But there are truly many exceptions, outliers in here, who are confined in their own realm without knowing the existence of universal value.

If you know this Swiss couple personally, may I ask for their contact? Me and my partner have decided, when we have a new apartment and settle down, we would like to start something, like an organization, to help LGBT people who are in desperate need of apartments like us. Definitely, we would like to talk with the Swiss couple for help and support if possible.

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Bin that reference. You don't need it, and just look for a new place without one. The vast majority of landlords don't have a problem with gays. Or choose a company/rental agency as your landlord, then it definitely won't be a problem.
Thanks for your advice. I think I should probably expand my area of search. My landlord runs a business in Baden and maybe many other landlords are actually his clients. I will also contact rental agencies ASAP. Thank you.

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Sorry to hear such a bad experience.
I hope you guys find a nice apartement soon!
Thank you. We are trying hard. Your support means a lot to us, really.

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I think you need to join the Mieterverband for where you live, this ensures if you are discriminated against or a Landlord tries to charge you for damage you did not cause or increase your rent, things like that that there will be legal help and advice. Its a yearly fee something like 100.-, but I think you can also consult with them as non member regarding rental issues.


Its in German
https://www.mieterverband.ch/mv.html
or French
http://www.asloca.ch/
Thanks a lot for this information. It is quite useful. We have joined the Mieterverband and hope my landlord does not pose more danger to us when we quit the apartment.

Mieterverband has also gave us advice. Go to schlichtungsstelle. Unfortunately, We have had two mediation meetings with my landlord and schlichtungsstelle failed. I just hope we could get through this nightmare soon.

Thanks again for your help. Great day!

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Unless they already have one in their village/Gemeinde
Yeah, lol

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I'm afraid I dont have anything helpful for you in terms of recommendations but I just wanted to say how shocked and saddened I am by your story. My wife and I have just moved into a great apartment in Kilchberg and we couldn't be happier. The idea that we could be treated in such a way if she happened to be male (or vice versa) is terrible. As it happens, Swiss Re owns our apartment, so it would make a very interesting news story if that did happen, so I guess I agree with the earlier member's post about finding a place owned corporately!

In any case, good luck to you and your partner with all of this and I hope that Karma finds a way of bringing justice to both you guys and your hate-filled landlord!
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Was this the landlord?



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@jzinch
Have you been to Pink Cross? It's a Swiss gay rights organisation.

One of the things they do is offer free legal advice to members:
http://www.pinkcross.ch/recht/rechtsberatung (Website only in German and French, but the contact details are there, and I think it's likely that they'd find someone who could speak to you in English).

Membership: http://www.pinkcross.ch/mitglied-werden
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1. Move to Bern

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You'll pass as the most hard core Swiss there!
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I agree - move to Bern. :-) I can't believe that this will happen here.
But in my opinion this is an exception here in this country, don't give up!
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You obviously don't know the right address in Schlieren...
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