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Old 15.08.2015, 02:01
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Please can I ask for some advice on costs?


I have a couple of quotes at this time for what it will cost to relocate to CH with my furniture. What I would like to know is if I would be able to refurnish a household with reasonable quality goods for around 12000CHF.




We currently live in a house with 3 bedrooms, lounge and dining room and have the usual kitchen/laundry appliances as well as the usual TV, HI FI AND sound system.


I say 12000CHF as this is the average removals quote that I have.
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While that may sound like a lot of money for shipping, I do not think 12,000 would be enough to work with here when you are considering you are starting from scratch. Not if you want to buy new items of "reasonable quality."

Not sure whether you have factored in if you will sell your current items and that would also add to that anount.

If you were willing to buy a lot of used items and could navigate your way around Swiss auction and classified sites then quite possibly 12'000 would be adequate. I have helped clients furnish homes this way.

The advanatge in bringing your own items is that there is no work for you, assuming you have a full service quote. The disadvantage is things might not fit right and you may still find yourself needing things like wardrobes. Also, while your goods are in transit you need to have somewhere furnished to stay.
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If you quickly look at http://www.ikea.com/ch/de/ . . and http://www.interdiscount.ch/idshop/i...FS7KtAodk5kFWg ,

you will get a good idea of new prices here. Every week there are adverts on here with bargains to be found on beds, sofas, and dining rooms.

All apartments here have a 'fridge and cooker, most have dishwashers. Old houses sometimes have built in wardrobes, but not always.
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Re: Removals as aposed to replacements

Again, thanks for the info.


The furniture that we are looking at moving with does include a few wardrobe type cupboards as we were told that some places do not have built in units.
Some of our furniture is basically antique wood furniture as apposed to self assemble chip board type things. This is also a factor to consider.


I did hear that the places there have fitted kitchens, but I did not realise that this included the fridge as well. Again a valuable piece of info, thanks.
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If you quickly look at http://www.ikea.com/ch/de/ . . and http://www.interdiscount.ch/idshop/i...FS7KtAodk5kFWg ,

you will get a good idea of new prices here. Every week there are adverts on here with bargains to be found on beds, sofas, and dining rooms.

All apartments here have a 'fridge and cooker, most have dishwashers. Old houses sometimes have built in wardrobes, but not always.
I just want to add that it depends where you're looking. I've been apartment hunting in Geneva recently and I'd say 4/5 of those advertised have unequipped kitchens - no oven, no stove, definitely no dishwasher, and a fridge only if you're lucky. Just something to keep in mind, good luck!
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Re: Removals as aposed to replacements

In Germany I have seen apartments without fitted kitchens, but here, never in 25 years. Maybe times are changing? Especially in Geneva where there is such a desperate shortage of rental property.

Gechoe, don't forget, if you put your furniture into storage now, you won't have to pay to send it back when you leave here will you?
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Re: Removals as aposed to replacements

@Sbrinz
from everything he's writing, I don't get the impression that Gechoe is planning to leave Switzerland again. Sounds to me like he's doing his research well, and that they want to make the move permanent.

@Gechoe
I agree totally with Sbrinz that, at least in the German-speaking areas, I've never heard of a flat not having a fitted kitchen. Standard includes: stove, oven, fridge, kitchen cupboards. Most (but not all) also have a deep-freeze, at least a small one. Some have a dishwasher.

It is generally so that you may not change things in your rented apartment. Or at least, only with written permission from your landlord (which they usually grant, once they know you'll be doing it properly). You'd need that, for example, if you wanted to take out one kitchen cupboard in order to install a dishwasher. Or if you wanted to build a fitted (built-in) cupboard, or put down wooden flooring. If you don't get prior permission, you have to un-build everythind you installed, when you move out.

Here's my ten cents' worth about selling up and buying again when you get here, as opposed to shipping: besides the money (which I certainly understand is of central significance) please do also consider the emotional side of things. If your table was handcrafted in yellowwood by Oupa , you will very likely want it here. That is, as long as it fits into the room.

Since you are not going straight into the super-rich immigrant class, with a relocation package from a financially strong employer, you will very likely be living in a much smaller home (with a much smaller garden, if any, and more likely just a balcony) than you have been used to in South Africa. Therefore, in figuring out which furniture to bring, please remember to have a look (on the sites offering flats, and sometimes in the property ads on this site) at the plans of the room sizes.

On the other hand, as Mrs Doolittle has pointed out, there is a huge market for second-hand goods. Besides all the swish shops, we also have shops selling used furniture, household items, games, toys, books and clothing. Many people get by well by shopping primarily in such shops. So it's a question of your (pl.) personal feelings about not getting new things, and also about having something that will do the job, or wanting to buy the exact one you've set your heart on.

For some, a used item feels just as good, especially if you've grown up with hand-me-downs, and are comfortable giving something a good wash and polish or tightening the odd nut and bolt. For others, it may have a certain "yuck" factor to use what someone else has used before. And yet others enjoy the challenge of finding the right item in the flea-market, rich with a hidden story of the previous owners. I spell this all out here for the benefit of your wife and daughters, too.

Here's a link to one such second-hand shop, in English. http://brockenstube-einsiedeln.ch/en/index.html
It doesn't show the prices, but explains the concept and has lots of photos so you can see the kind of shop I mean.
Here's another: http://remar.ch/dienstleistungen/brockenhaeuser/

And this one also shows many photos of their shop http://www.brockibuelach.ch/sortimen...ionen.html#c79
and in their monthly top ten, some good quality items with... at last... prices! http://www.brockibuelach.ch/top-ten.html.
If you don't go for top range, you can find prices much lower than these.

To give you a further idea of prices, here are a number of websites of small ads, some by companies, but mostly by private people selling furniture and all sorts of other goods.
http://www.tutti.ch/
http://www.gratis-inserate.ch/
https://www.olx.ch/en
In searches on These sites, you can sort by price, and will find a whole lot of items free. Or search with "gratis".

And here all the items on this website are free:
http://www.fleedoo.com/CH/de/.
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from everything he's writing, I don't get the impression that Gechoe is planning to leave Switzerland again. Sounds to me like he's doing his research well, and that they want to make the move permanent.

You are so right about that, this move is most definitely for life.


Thanks for all of the links. This does help with drawing a comparison and getting an idea of prices. The other aspect which makes a significant impact is that not only would we have to replace furniture but due to luggage limitations we would also have to replace a significant amount of "others" like clothing, linen, curtains, pots and pans etc. All things that we already have and can be shipped over with the furniture.

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