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Buying land and placing prefab house

Hi all... An idea recently came to my mind and I would like to ask around about how crazy/doable it could be.

I was thinking of buying some land in the canton of Zurich (ideally in the city ) to bring my 50m2 prefab house from my home country and place it there. How many complications would be implied and did any of you went through a similar process?

Any information regarding:

- Minimum required size for the house ()
- How to find some land in the canton of Zurich
- Burocratic process starting right after having the plot
- Prices about land, permits, water/electricity connection, fees...
- Any other topic that I might find or where to look for information

It is a challenging idea but perhaps with a bit of help would be feasible.... I thank you all in advance for any possible info and wish you a good time in Switzerland... Cheers
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Re: Buying land and placing prefab house

I forgot to say that renting land would be an option as well... but not sure if people is willing to rent a part of their property for let's say 3-5 years
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Re: Buying land and placing prefab house

- Minimum required size for the house ()
There is no general minimum size, but there are rules about height, size limits, shape, colour etc.
- How to find some land in the canton of Zurich
check usual property selling portals
- Bureaucratic process starting right after having the plot
same as for building every single family house, except that some plans are provided by company making a house
- Prices about land, permits, water/electricity connection, fees...

- Any other topic that I might find or where to look for information
search on internet / Gemeinde / hire a professional if you are too lazy for first two
for example:
https://www.ch.ch/en/building-permit/
just write in the town where you want to build

p.s. do you have any other brilliant ideas to share? It is rainy Sunday.
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- Minimum required size for the house ()
There is no general minimum size, but there are rules about height, size limits, shape, colour etc.
- How to find some land in the canton of Zurich
check usual property selling portals
- Bureaucratic process starting right after having the plot
same as for building every single family house, except that some plans are provided by company making a house
- Prices about land, permits, water/electricity connection, fees...

- Any other topic that I might find or where to look for information
search on internet / Gemeinde / hire a professional if you are too lazy for first two
for example:
https://www.ch.ch/en/building-permit/
just write in the town where you want to build

p.s. do you have any other brilliant ideas to share? It is rainy Sunday.
Thanks for the info nejc, but you don't have to be arrogant though... whether the idea is stupid or brilliant is something I try to find out... And I dont mind to ask for opinion... simply because not everyone starts in Switzerland knowing already everything
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Re: Buying land and placing prefab house

why not talk to the Bauamt at Herrliberg?

Be aware that they will say no. And please don't spoil Herrliberg, I quite like it
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Re: Buying land and placing prefab house

If the prefab house meets the local building code conditions I don't see what the issue would be.

It would be a question of submitting all the plans and getting building approval and then getting the utilities connected and setting it up.

There are already suppliers of pre-fab houses in Switzerland, so it is not such a weird idea.

http://www.kleinhaus.ch/
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Re: Buying land and placing prefab house

What do you want to achieve: a cheap and affordable housing? Then a single family house (SFH) is a wrong answer, simply because land is expensive in Switzerland and SFH needs the most land for a housing m2.
SFH + Zurich is not going to be cheap. Prefab houses are not much cheaper than 'normal' houses. And with a small house most of the margin by cheaper Spanish working force in prefab phase will be probably eaten by transports costs.
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Re: Buying land and placing prefab house

Is it just me, or does anyone else see something of a contradiction between "50 sq m" and "house"? Surely the two things are mutually exclusive?
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Is it just me, or does anyone else see something of a contradiction between "50 sq m" and "house"? Surely the two things are mutually exclusive?
It goes very well with:
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It is a concept that is circling around the globe for quite long: 'because I am not very rich, but I am humble I would be satisfied with a small house. On a green pasture. Close to the Zurich. On the river (lake) coast. And also with a beautiful view of the mountans. For 50.000, because I can't get more money'
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Is it just me, or does anyone else see something of a contradiction between "50 sq m" and "house"? Surely the two things are mutually exclusive?


Must be a typo. Perhaps it is only 50 sq m when it is all folded up?
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Re: Buying land and placing prefab house

There are few of the terraced/semi-detached two-three level with a footprint of more than 50sqm.
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What do you want to achieve: a cheap and affordable housing? Then a single family house (SFH) is a wrong answer, simply because land is expensive in Switzerland and SFH needs the most land for a housing m2.
SFH + Zurich is not going to be cheap. Prefab houses are not much cheaper than 'normal' houses. And with a small house most of the margin by cheaper Spanish working force in prefab phase will be probably eaten by transports costs.
Land in Zurich town and for a signficant distance from centre is very/hugely expensive. And it is in many parts of Switzerland, but defnitely not all over. Where I live you can buy good land with infrastructure laid on for 80CHF per m2 - but even here they would not let you put a mobile home on it, I'm afraid.

Maybe you will find a campsite where you can rent space for a mobile home- but probably not for living there permanently.

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If the prefab house meets the local building code conditions I don't see what the issue would be.

It would be a question of submitting all the plans and getting building approval and then getting the utilities connected and setting it up.

There are already suppliers of pre-fab houses in Switzerland, so it is not such a weird idea.

http://www.kleinhaus.ch/
factor in the local objections I know some places with 20-year-old markers.....no building going on......local power is not to be underestimated. And I was deep in the heart of local power last night in Herrliberg at the fair
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Re: Buying land and placing prefab house

Connecting to the utilities will probably cost 50k.
When you buy building land it will have a percentage like 35% so to build 100m2 of habitable space you need a plot of 350m2. In a city the percentage might be more.
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Re: Buying land and placing prefab house

Thank you guys for your valuable information... all contributions are welcome!!

Here some answers to your questions:

- Yes 50 sqm is doable and done actually... is for a single obviously but you would be suprised of how good it looks like. I assume that this would imply a minimum of 150-200 sqm are according to your 35% rule.... Which is still ok. The question is if you can get that land for less than 300.000... maybe makes sense instead of throwing away 2k chf every month for the rent... isnt it? perhaps there are some areas within 30 min distance to HB where the price is still in that range.

- I am not giving this for granted that this will happen and Im afraid you are right with the local admin restrictions... I will go directly and ask them. But the requirements for the house is something that can be adapted.

- Logistics and building the prefab house is already solved, this is not the topic

In summary... my impression is that this idea would be possible if there is a place where there is land, the price including infrastructure is below 1.5k/sqm and the local admin allow to place the house once it fulfills their conditions.... am I wrong?
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Re: Buying land and placing prefab house

You may want to also consider resale value, which will probably rather low as this would be a very special and unusual thing. There seem to be a reasonable number of manufacturers for mini-homes, though most focus on office rooms/containers. Since you target a clearly limited timeframe, you may be better off using a mobile home or a durable tent.

One issue will be the infrastructure, as these costs won't be much smaller for a minihouse than for a standard single-family house. Perhaps separating the shower water from the poo would allow you to avoid expensive installations.

Come to think of it, why buy/build yourself? Would perhaps a mobile home park be an option? For instance in Steinach SG there's one, in a marvelous location immediately by the lake, one space costs 5'600 a year, fresh and waste water and electricitiy connections are provided, mobilehome cost is yours. I'm not sure if it would be ok to use such a mobilehome as permanent residence, but that would probably depend on the individual park anyway.
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Thank you guys for your valuable information... all contributions are welcome!!

Here some answers to your questions:

- Yes 50 sqm is doable and done actually... is for a single obviously but you would be suprised of how good it looks like. I assume that this would imply a minimum of 150-200 sqm are according to your 35% rule.... Which is still ok. The question is if you can get that land for less than 300.000... maybe makes sense instead of throwing away 2k chf every month for the rent... isnt it? perhaps there are some areas within 30 min distance to HB where the price is still in that range.

- I am not giving this for granted that this will happen and Im afraid you are right with the local admin restrictions... I will go directly and ask them. But the requirements for the house is something that can be adapted.

- Logistics and building the prefab house is already solved, this is not the topic

In summary... my impression is that this idea would be possible if there is a place where there is land, the price including infrastructure is below 1.5k/sqm and the local admin allow to place the house once it fulfills their conditions.... am I wrong?
Here land for sale:

http://www.homegate.ch/buy/105233705?5

5'000CHF per sqm.

So at the same rate, your 350sqm will cost 1.7 million.
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Here land for sale:

http://www.homegate.ch/buy/105233705?5

5'000CHF per sqm.

So at the same rate, your 350sqm will cost 1.7 million.

Outside of the city you are looking at from 500chf (mostly likely withing a "building allowed area" but without any direct permission and from 1500chf per m2 with permission or an existing sturture - but are unlikely to find small plots (350m2) - but family home size (600-1000m2). At the lower price end you're probably still need to invest in the land in terms of planning etc.


The simpler options are the knockdown and build plots - which for a non-city location are from 700k upwards.


In other words - it isn't worthwhile doing.
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Outside of the city you are looking at from 500chf (mostly likely withing a "building allowed area" but without any direct permission and from 1500chf per m2 with permission or an existing sturture - but are unlikely to find small plots (350m2) - but family home size (600-1000m2). At the lower price end you're probably still need to invest in the land in terms of planning etc.


The simpler options are the knockdown and build plots - which for a non-city location are from 700k upwards.


In other words - it isn't worthwhile doing.
Thanks for the info... it seems quite difficult yes...
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