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ToothCentral 08.03.2012 05:30

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Thanks dqpdang

So far, the woman we are subletting from, seems to think our US credit reports will suffice... we'll know in a couple of days when it's presented to the landlord or tenant management. We are lucky to have my wife's family, who's ancestors were present and living there before the Napoleonic era living in Graubünden area.

Bobbie Jean 08.03.2012 07:25

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Originally Posted by dawiz (Post 499063)
Chances that someone will try to screw you by sending you a phony payment summons, resulting in an embarrassing entry in the register are about 1 in 10 for each Swiss resident during his or her lifetime. Once you have an entry, it might be hard or impossible to get a loan, a leasing contract, a new apartment and sometimes even a new job.

OMG. I have heard of so many oddities that will come my way when I endeavor to join the CH society....being stared at on public transportation, crashing into my shins in the market, being reminded of all the things one does wrong almost hourly, seeing naked bits of all and sundry on beaches, parks, glaciers, and saunas.... But this one is rather chilling.

Is the assumption in the courts that no one would file a report unless it was true--based on the inherent honesty of the regular Swiss citizen?

Wow. Scaree.

Is this a real thing to fear? Do they target newcomers especially? Can a newcomer file one as well?

Deko 21.02.2021 22:50

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I have a question:

I need the Betreibungsauszug for the purpose of familiy reunification (it is one of the required docs): it says for the past 3 years from the place of residence. However I have just changed my flat and community respectively. The question is:

Does somebody know if it is sufficient to ask for the Betreibungsauszug from my current community (where I have been living sinc only 3 months), or I should also order the Betreibungsauszug fromy my previous community? Is the latter is at all possible (as I am not registered there anymore)?

thanks in advance for sharing of your experience

amogles 21.02.2021 23:12

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I would be careful not to awaken any sleeping dogs.

When I was freshly arrived in Switzerland I needed a Betriebungsauskunft for some reason. I can't now remember what it was. And when they reaized I hadn't been in Switzerland very long they told me to get one for my previous country as well. I had been living in Germany previously, and as this was in the pre Internet days I had to do a lot of phoning around to work out who to ask and finally discovered there was actually somebody in the German consulate in Zürich who could help, but I had to make the payment in a German post office beforehand and had to travel to Waldshut to do that.

HollidayG 22.02.2021 06:29

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Originally Posted by Deko (Post 3278345)
I have a question:

I need the Betreibungsauszug for the purpose of familiy reunification (it is one of the required docs): it says for the past 3 years from the place of residence. However I have just changed my flat and community respectively. The question is:

Does somebody know if it is sufficient to ask for the Betreibungsauszug from my current community (where I have been living sinc only 3 months), or I should also order the Betreibungsauszug fromy my previous community? Is the latter is at all possible (as I am not registered there anymore)?

thanks in advance for sharing of your experience

I had to get one document from my former community and one from my prior community.

Deko 22.02.2021 09:38

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Originally Posted by doropfiz (Post 3278351)
Don't worry about whether or not your previous municipality will be able to give you that information. Just ask. They will reply and either a) send you the Betreibungsauszug (for their fee) or b) tell you thanks for trying, but sorry, no, we can't provide you with that because you are no longer registered here. Either way, submit whatever you get back from them and/or what you obtain from the central registry.

Adding together where you live now, and where you lived before, have you lived in Switzerland for 3 years? If so, then get the Betreibungsauszug to cover the entire 3 years. That's what they've asked for, so send them that, or proof of your best effort at obtaining it.

If you have not yet been in Switzerland for 3 years, then you would have to try to raise some similar document from wherever you lived before... but perhaps with more difficulty, as amogles described.

Yes, I actually did exactly the same what you suggest: just askeed both communities. I will provide the outcomes here in (hopefully) few days. I, initially was sure I should ask the 2 communities, however when I was filling the "form" on-line: It appeared completely the same (irrespective of community), so I assumed it could be just one "State Register", in which the community would check any possible debts.
In fact I have the Betraibungsauszug from my former community, issued in September (when I was looking for the new appartment), but I asked for the new one. Hope they would be able to provide it.

Deko 22.02.2021 09:38

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Originally Posted by HollidayG (Post 3278365)
I had to get one document from my former community and one from my prior community.

Ok, thank you for posting and letting know.

aSwissInTheUS 22.02.2021 09:56

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Originally Posted by Deko (Post 3278345)
I need the Betreibungsauszug for the purpose of familiy reunification (it is one of the required docs): it says for the past 3 years from the place of residence.
[...]
Betreibungsauszug from my previous community? Is the latter is at all possible (as I am not registered there anymore)?

It means you should get a Betreibungsregisterauszug from all the respective Swiss Betreibungsämter/Office de Poursuite where you lived in the past 3 years. Be aware that you can not get if from the commune but only from the Betreibungsamter/Office de Poursuite which is a separate entity. Knock at the correct door ;)

Certain Betreibungsämter/Office de Poursuite will only serve part of a particular commune while others might serve more than one commune. One and only one office serves a particular address.

Once again the helpful link where you can find Betreibungsamter/Office de Poursuite which serves your current and past addresses and request an extract.
https://www.ch.ch/en/extract-debt-collection-register/

Deko 26.02.2021 12:15

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As I mentioned earlier, I ordered the "Betraibungsauszug" from both communities and I got the 2 different documets from 2 communities.

the one, from community where I lived before, says: that "Mr. Name does not have debts in the past 5 years, but he moved from our community on the DD/MM/YYYY.

the one from community I live now, says: "Mr. Name does not have debts , but he moved to our community on the DD/MM/YYYY.

So, both, combined, the documents should suffice in my opinion, to prove that I did not have any debts over past 3 years.

doropfiz 26.02.2021 13:24

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That sounds excellent. Thanks for posting with this clarity, for others who may need to do the same.


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