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nick2008 11.05.2008 18:36

the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
ok guys lots of switched on people around here,maybe someone can help me with this.

I arrived in Zurich the previous
weekend(EU 15) on Monday the 5th went to kreisburo i gave them my contract and my temporary address and the charged me 20chf and gave me two big packs of brochures ;) along with that a temporary paper to have till my
permit b arrives(anyone knows when?) Same day i open a new account with a bank.

i am searching for an apartment i want to apply for one but on the application form says that a betreibungsauskunft is essential.

Reading through the threads ,it seems to be something like a credit history of some sort. so my logical mind cant quite cope with this, can someone drop 1-2 lines explaining how am i suppose to have that paper? and based on what? (8 days in Switzerland and counting)

and if lets say its very logical to have that paper , where do i get it from? kreis buro? sounds weird, from my bank? sounds even weirder there is nothing there yet i just received some pins and staff.
How long do i have to wait?

can i have it in the same day?

thats about it!

cheers guys, i keep reading your posts and getting more and more intimidated by the horror stories. fantastic if i keep reading more i might need counseling ;p

HollidayG 11.05.2008 19:15

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Every community or "Gemeinde" in Switzerland has a "Betreibungsamt"
or credit bureau. You can go here and get a credit report or "Betreibungsauszug". Most likely, they will not be able to process
it since you have been in the country only 8 days.

Cheers,
Grant

miniMia 11.05.2008 19:32

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Of course they will process it. They will give the OP a paper that says he has no debts in Switzerland. Well, we assume he doesn't as he's only been here for 8 days!

In Suisse Romande you would go to the Offices des poursuites et des faillites and get an attestation d'absence de poursuite (certificate that you have no debt).

For Vaud: http://www.opf.vd.ch/

WorryWart 11.05.2008 19:35

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Even though we had only been in the country 14 days, we went ahead and got the Betreibungs to make our applications complete. The person helping me was a little surprised, but went ahead and printed it out.

I kept thinking aktuell meant actual until I realized it meant current.

HashBrown 11.05.2008 19:57

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Yeah, just go to your kreisburo and get one. Some agencies require it as a formality.

nick2008 11.05.2008 20:02

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
wow that was fast! thanks guys.

I didn't have any time to have a dept yet! although i went out on Friday ;)

i bet my applications will be very popular at the agencies (i have no previous landowner, 8 days here, haven't received my permit yet,temporary current address,new bank account) (life is so funny everyone usually asks money in advance but you always get paid in the opposite , how convenient is that!)

But i will apply anyhow, the "plain madness" tactic has got me this far in life why abandon it now ;)

J.L-P 12.05.2008 11:15

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Don't forget to make photocopies of this to include in your applications; otherwise you will have to pay again for them to issue one. :)

alsbergt 11.06.2008 00:51

Where and when to get one
 
nick2008: Did you apply for apartments with your new Betreibungsauszug already?

As I understood from this forum, many agencies will ignore applications that have no Betreibungsauszug attached, even if it's from someone who just moved in to Switzerland a few days ago, even if he may have otherwise have got the apartment. Others, though, say that for a newcomer it doesn't really matter. How's it really? Of course if it doesn't matter, I wouldn't mind attaching an empty one just for the sake of it. But can it not also make a bad "petty" impression?

Also, I'm not sure I understand - does one get the Betreibungsauszug at the Kreisbüro or the Betreibungsamt? From this thread it seems obvious to be the Betreibungsamt, but in other threads people say Kreisbüro.

And indeed, can anyone get it - even a tourist or someone who's never been in Switzerland before? Or do you need to be registered as a resident to get one? And in that case, I understand you don't to have the actual permit yet - the letter saying it's being processed should be enough. Right?
Thanks,
-- Tom

nick2008 11.06.2008 10:40

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Ok i will give a more general answer to describe the situation,maybe someone else who is intrested is watching.

the "plain madness" tactic got me a little further ;)

Tom i am telling you its a jungle out here :)

all those years of building your "people skills"... forget about them you are only going to be judged from a banch of papers..(but there is still hope see below..)

I searched for two weeks (which is 1 week and 6 days more than i would normally spent on an apartment search) The horror stories ...are true! 50+ more applications per apartment!! Whilist having a full time job that killed me.
i saw about 8 apartments and applied for 4. and got the last one(outside zurich in a magic location 30 mins from my living room to outside the HB).

My only advice is that whoever is showing you the apartment no matter who he is or if he is the one with the power to rent you the house,no matter how many people are looking at the apartement in the same time, grab his attention!its your only chance to make things happen for you in such a competitive market. i almost got the 3rd apartment too with the same approach.

This is going to require a lot of energy, diplomacy and patience after a long hard day at work , its unfair ,its irrational but at the end of the day i got a roof over my head.

as for the application, the more papers the better, i had the betreinungsauskunft, photocopies of everything under the sun, that beast was bigger than my application for my current job.

Add to all that honesty. I never lied about anything.


Thats it
Good luck!


Edit: oups i forgot the last part!!! :))) I had to take mine from two different locations about 1km apart from each other. the kreisburo was open from 8 but the betreiungsamt from 7 on. i think i payed 17CHF. and some applications required the ORIGINAL!!! (people are strange when you are a stranger... ;) ) and i got it showing my temporary registration paper and a smile

Guest 11.06.2008 11:11

Re: Where and when to get one
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alsbergt (Post 244777)
nick2008: Did you apply for apartments with your new Betreibungsauszug already?

As I understood from this forum, many agencies will ignore applications that have no Betreibungsauszug attached, even if it's from someone who just moved in to Switzerland a few days ago, even if he may have otherwise have got the apartment. Others, though, say that for a newcomer it doesn't really matter. How's it really? Of course if it doesn't matter, I wouldn't mind attaching an empty one just for the sake of it. But can it not also make a bad "petty" impression?

Also, I'm not sure I understand - does one get the Betreibungsauszug at the Kreisbüro or the Betreibungsamt? From this thread it seems obvious to be the Betreibungsamt, but in other threads people say Kreisbüro.

And indeed, can anyone get it - even a tourist or someone who's never been in Switzerland before? Or do you need to be registered as a resident to get one? And in that case, I understand you don't to have the actual permit yet - the letter saying it's being processed should be enough. Right?
Thanks,
-- Tom

Unfortunately, the swiss can be quite beaurocratic when it comes to these things. The fact that you are only here sincea short while makes no difference.

Apartment rental companies wish to see this document (understand its some sort of credit clearance). This has to be obtained at the betriebungsampt (see link for location in Zürich) http://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/internet...5/home/ba.html

If you have an official document from the kreisburo, then the betriebungsauszug should be issued (at a small fee) without the actual permit.

I have used the office in Kreis 8 (Seefeld) and they are quite friendly. Colleagues have had some weird experiences at other locations

Hope this helps.

alsbergt 11.06.2008 12:23

Plain madness
 
Thanks for the information, nick2008. It sounds as horrible as I experienced it. I applied for 11 apartments already, and didn't get any of them.

I was never too good with "plain madness" tactics, but I suppose I'll work it out somehow. Add to that that I'm really looking for something in the city, and that my nationality is likely less favourable than yours...

So where do you live now? 30 minutes by foot isn't bad, but if it's outside of the city I'd rather suppose you meant 30 minutes by faster moving vehicles :-) And then at night it's a problem when there's no public transport and you can't get home.

So some apartment applications required the original Betreibungsauszug and no photocopy? How did you know in advance where you need to attach an original? Did you submit the applications personally or by mail? And did you have to pay those CHF 17 several times for all copies?

11.06.2008 13:02

Re: Plain madness
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alsbergt (Post 244990)
And did you have to pay those CHF 17 several times for all copies?

I remember paying this many times over the course of 6 months...does someone know any other way so that this can be avoided ?:confused:
It makes no point to pay the money again without any bad credit history after a gap of 1-3 months..:(

nick2008 11.06.2008 19:12

Re: Plain madness
 
for you just nick, nick2008 is the professional ;)

Nationality has little to do with personality , although perception is a strong obstacle to overcome.

sorry i didn't clarify that i meant 30 mins with my private jet ;)

I live in Gattikon its a little village ,imagine you see zurich in google go left and down :) between thalwil and Langau.

at night you mean besides the hourly trains after midnight?

I submitted my applications 3 different ways by mail to the current tenant, by mail to the office,by fax so not much statistics there. went for the personal one but no luck , you are one of the many, waisting their precious time.

it wasn't difficult to find out about the BB it was stated at the small letters of the AF, i used copies ,and if they wanted me so badly i could provide them with the originals.

the fact that i had done the six month Deutsch Kurse 2 years ago, did help me alot. because i cannot remember a single house or person that i saw/called outside zurich that spoke English.

I didn't offer anyone my car my girl or my money nor did i hire anyone(instead of paying someone a months rent(?!?) i can buy a tv) so it can be done keep going and i would dare to say don't apply for a house that you don't like because you might have to stay there ;)

Geordie_Boy 15.08.2008 21:30

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Hi,

Having had to get a betreibungsauskunft for a flat application today thought I'd share that in Baselland you need to go in person to the Betreibungsamt (didn't realise Kreisbuero was only a Zurich thing) took me a while to find out where to go but actually getting the form was very easy.

Iain

81joe81 14.11.2008 16:30

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Just to add my experience...

I am looking for an apartment, I sent my application for one that I saw some days ago and they replied me by email saying that they need a copy of my contract and the infamous Betreibungsauskunft.
I checked on internet and I found the page http://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/internet.../Adressen.html with the addresses of the offices in Zurich that can provide that document.
This morning I went to the Stadtammannamt und Betreibungsamt Zürich 1 in Gessnerallee 50. It was quite easy: the girl there speaks English and I just had to have my residence permit to get the Betreibungsauskunft (no debts for me so far...:p).
I asked for more copies: the price of the first one is 17 CHF, while each additional copy costs 2 CHF

Shao 18.07.2009 23:37

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Just some add to earlier threads, the list of the Betreibungsamt in Zurich has moved to below(apparentlly it's the same office of the kreisburo, at least in Zurich):
http://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/content/...ngszeiten.html


I might have missed the topic somewhere, but can someone kindly answer me this - "Can I do multiple applications at once?" Do I have to wait for the official "NO" before moving on to other possible deals? Previous threads have talked about that you might have to stay with the flat once you've applied for it, this leads to my little concerns here.

Uncle Max 18.07.2009 23:57

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shao (Post 498931)
Just some add to earlier threads, the list of the Betreibungsamt in Zurich has moved to below(apparentlly it's the same office of the kreisburo, at least in Zurich):
http://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/content/...ngszeiten.html

Er, not sure your info is correct for every Kreis in Zurich ;)

Shao 19.07.2009 00:27

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Max (Post 498937)
Er, not sure your info is correct for every Kreis in Zurich ;)

Wow!! You are right!!Some of them are not in the same place.
How come I can't edit the post..?

anyway,
the list of Betreibungsämter is
http://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/content/...ngszeiten.html
while the kreisburos are as below
http://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/content/...ngszeiten.html

Tanuja 19.07.2009 00:38

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Jeez! we are in the midst of 'finding an apartment' nightmare at present and are sending copies of the betreibungsauskunft with a note in the cover letter saying that the original can be provided if necessary....

swissmama 19.07.2009 08:39

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Hm, this is where I call the agency and explain that I've only been in the country since x date and ask if htey still want Betreibungsauskunft. I then refer to the answer from the telephone conversation in my covering letter and say something along the lines of "Wegen meinem Auslandsaufenthalt könnte ich höchstenfalls für die letzten sechs Monate Betreibungsauskunft beilegen. Selbstverständlich würde ich, wenn Sie es wünschen, diese gerne nachreichen...".
Just to subtly point out the ridiculousness of even asking for this when you haven't been here long enough to create much damage. And if they were really serious about it, they would tell you to bring along your credit history from wherever you came from.

Uncle Max 19.07.2009 12:08

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swissmama (Post 498989)
Hm, this is where I call the agency and explain that I've only been in the country since x date and ask if htey still want Betreibungsauskunft. I then refer to the answer from the telephone conversation in my covering letter and say something along the lines of "Wegen meinem Auslandsaufenthalt könnte ich höchstenfalls für die letzten sechs Monate Betreibungsauskunft beilegen. Selbstverständlich würde ich, wenn Sie es wünschen, diese gerne nachreichen...".
Just to subtly point out the ridiculousness of even asking for this when you haven't been here long enough to create much damage. And if they were really serious about it, they would tell you to bring along your credit history from wherever you came from.

Chose your battles carefully: it's a lot easier and less complicated - in their eyes - when you just pay for the certificate of good standing and include it in your application. Once you start complicating matters with 'ifs & ands' you'll lose the attention of the landlord. It costs around CHF18.- so think if it as a small tax on showing your eligibility :o

alsbergt 19.07.2009 12:15

Re: applying to multiple apartments at once
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shao (Post 498931)
I might have missed the topic somewhere, but can someone kindly answer me this - "Can I do multiple applications at once?" Do I have to wait for the official "NO" before moving on to other possible deals? Previous threads have talked about that you might have to stay with the flat once you've applied for it, this leads to my little concerns here.

Yes. You can apply to multiple apartments at once -- in some places the chance of getting any one apartment can be low enough that you pretty much have to. However, some application forms state that you sign for a "processing fee" for the production of a contract, etc. that you may have to pay if they send you a contract and you decide not to sign. As I understood from experienced people (and based on very limited personal experience) commonly they will call you first to check if you are still interested in the apartment, I guess you can specifically ask that they do.
-- Tom

dawiz 19.07.2009 12:50

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Here's some general info on the "Betreibungsauskunft" and the "Betreibungsamt".

First of all: the Betreibungsauskunft doesn't say anything about debt (well, not usually, that is). Each district has a local register for payment summons (that's what a "Betreibung" means). That register is local - no records originating in other districts are visible there. So if you had an entry and move within Switzerland, your new district's register won't show that entry anymore.

Payment summons are somewhat controversial in Switzerland because no outstanding balance or debt has to be proven in order for you to send one to someone. That is, you can have the registry send a payment summons to anyone for any amount no matter if the other person owes you anything or not.

If a payment order is unfounded, the receiver of the order can stop the process by filing an objection (a so called "Rechtsvorschlag"). Doing so requires the party that sent the summons to initiate a legal process which will require you to appear in front of the justice of the peace (for smaller amounts) or in district court (for larger amounts). There it will be decided if the amount is owed or not. Smaller amounts hardly ever end up in the legal process because the costs are too high for both parties. So the objection usually stops the process.

Well, so far so good. The controversy, however, is the following: no matter if the summons is stopped by an objection or not and no matter if the amount the summons was for is actually owed or not, the person who received the summons will have an entry in the local registry that can't be easily gotten rid of anymore and that will show up in the "Betreibungsauskunft" for at least 3 years. In order to get rid of the entry, you have to sue the other person. As the "Betreibungsregister" is considered a simple, non-judgmental registry by law, the courts have been more than reluctant to have unjustified entries deleted - so sueing to get rid of your registry entry might not be successful and will cost you thousands of Fr.

Up until relatively recently, the "Betreibungsregister" was a normal legal register that wasn't used for much. However, landlords, banks, credit card companies etc. started (ab-)using it as some sort of debt register (which it isn't, as the entries may be unfounded). This isn't technically legal but so far the federal council has failed to stop those practices.

Because you can have payment summons sent out to anyone, the register, today, is very frequently used as a weapon in neighborhood disputes, by companies that unlawfully want your money etc. Chances that someone will try to screw you by sending you a phony payment summons, resulting in an embarrassing entry in the register are about 1 in 10 for each Swiss resident during his or her lifetime. Once you have an entry, it might be hard or impossible to get a loan, a leasing contract, a new apartment and sometimes even a new job.

The only ways to get rid of the entry are to get the person who had the summons sent out retract it or to move to a different district (which might be impossible because you can't get a new apartment once you have that entry...)

If you have any further questions - I'm the person to ask. I know all about the process because a spammer that I had reported to my employer's legal department found out where I live and sent me one of those summons. That was last year - I still haven't been able to get rid of the registry entry. I had to take a lawyer (thank god for legal insurance...) but the deletion process hasn't been successful because the court simply refused to even look at the case. I'm now in the process of preparing a lawsuit for coercion which is promising to be more successful.

Peter

Shao 20.07.2009 16:58

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 81joe81 (Post 349347)
Just to add my experience...

I am looking for an apartment, I sent my application for one that I saw some days ago and they replied me by email saying that they need a copy of my contract and the infamous Betreibungsauskunft.
I checked on internet and I found the page http://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/internet.../Adressen.html with the addresses of the offices in Zurich that can provide that document.
This morning I went to the Stadtammannamt und Betreibungsamt Zürich 1 in Gessnerallee 50. It was quite easy: the girl there speaks English and I just had to have my residence permit to get the Betreibungsauskunft (no debts for me so far...:p).
I asked for more copies: the price of the first one is 17 CHF, while each additional copy costs 2 CHF

Updates here, in kreisburo 6, it's 27 for the first one and 2 for the additional ones(you should specify original ones, not just copy). Not sure it's just a rise of price or simply different with areas.

FattyTreats 29.07.2009 21:54

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Hi everyone,

Could someone explain a bit more how these Betreibungs things work? I checked on the internet but there's very little I could find of use. I have ignored them until now as I couldn't see them being an issue but I have worried myself this evening. Long story short, I think I have accidentally missed a rent payment. If they had a betreibung would I know about it, from some of these comments it seems to me they aren't compelled to send any kind of demand before they go ahead and get one.

What's my best course of action here? Should I just quietly make the payment, not mention it and hope they don't notice, or should I call them in the morning explain and apologise and make the payment?

I'm pretty keen to avoid these a Betreibung, as they seem to go a way towards ruining your life in Switzerland.

Thanks in advance!

jrspet 29.07.2009 22:24

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FattyTreats (Post 506871)
Hi everyone,

Could someone explain a bit more how these Betreibungs things work? I checked on the internet but there's very little I could find of use...

Thanks in advance!

Here's a sticky under Daily Life that you might find informative.

evilshell 30.07.2009 02:47

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FattyTreats (Post 506871)
Hi everyone,

Could someone explain a bit more how these Betreibungs things work? I checked on the internet but there's very little I could find of use. I have ignored them until now as I couldn't see them being an issue but I have worried myself this evening. Long story short, I think I have accidentally missed a rent payment. If they had a betreibung would I know about it, from some of these comments it seems to me they aren't compelled to send any kind of demand before they go ahead and get one.

What's my best course of action here? Should I just quietly make the payment, not mention it and hope they don't notice, or should I call them in the morning explain and apologise and make the payment?

I'm pretty keen to avoid these a Betreibung, as they seem to go a way towards ruining your life in Switzerland.

Thanks in advance!

Welcome to the forum :)

If you can't check your banking records to see if you've paid, I'd suggest just calling the landlord and explain that you can't find your record of paying the rent this month, and can they check theirs just to make sure that you did.

In my experience, what normally happens if you forget your rent is they send a certified letter mid-month to remind you to pay up.

nyleung 30.09.2009 22:22

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
If I am at a canton other than my registered residing one. Can I still go to the local office to get the attestation d'qbsence de poursuite?

The situation is me and my husband is doing flat search in Geneva. As he is thte primary applicant we thought him having the paper will be enough. But when we do an application today, they asked for mine too for my name will be on the tenancy agreement. Do I have to go back to my registered local office for this or can I just do one here in the Geneva office? Thank you.

Goldtop 30.09.2009 22:31

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nyleung (Post 565004)
If I am at a canton other than my registered residing one. Can I still go to the local office to get the attestation d'qbsence de poursuite?

The situation is me and my husband is doing flat search in Geneva. As he is thte primary applicant we thought him having the paper will be enough. But when we do an application today, they asked for mine too for my name will be on the tenancy agreement. Do I have to go back to my registered local office for this or can I just do one here in the Geneva office? Thank you.

Only the place where you are registered can issue the attestation.

GoldK 30.09.2009 23:05

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FattyTreats (Post 506871)
Hi everyone,

Could someone explain a bit more how these Betreibungs things work? I checked on the internet but there's very little I could find of use. I have ignored them until now as I couldn't see them being an issue but I have worried myself this evening. Long story short, I think I have accidentally missed a rent payment. If they had a betreibung would I know about it, from some of these comments it seems to me they aren't compelled to send any kind of demand before they go ahead and get one.

What's my best course of action here? Should I just quietly make the payment, not mention it and hope they don't notice, or should I call them in the morning explain and apologise and make the payment?

I'm pretty keen to avoid these a Betreibung, as they seem to go a way towards ruining your life in Switzerland.

Thanks in advance!


Make the payment straight away and then phone and apologise. Setting up a standing order for your rent would avoid this situation in the future. You really don't want to get chucked out of your flat for rent arrears as it would be nearly impossible to find another place to live.

Good Luck

GoldK

Atomic 12.05.2010 15:09

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shao (Post 499968)
Updates here, in kreisburo 6, it's 27 for the first one and 2 for the additional ones(you should specify original ones, not just copy). Not sure it's just a rise of price or simply different with areas.

You might have been overcharged. Just got back from Kreiburo 6, the price is still 17 CHF for the first one and 2 for each additional.

Chetan 09.09.2010 12:41

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Hi could someone tell me what this (betreibungsregisterauszug) is called in Italian?
I was living in Lugano and just moved to Zurich. I guess I will have to get it from Lugano. Any pointers on which website I can apply for this?

grazie mile
Chetan

dawiz 09.09.2010 12:48

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chetan (Post 937889)
Hi could someone tell me what this (betreibungsregisterauszug) is called in Italian?
I was living in Lugano and just moved to Zurich. I guess I will have to get it from Lugano. Any pointers on which website I can apply for this?

grazie mile
Chetan

http://www4.ti.ch/?id=2435

Chetan 09.09.2010 12:57

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Thanks a lot

Cybersuz 03.12.2010 16:59

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Hi all,

We are starting our hunt for a new apartment and we need to go get our Betreibungsregister-Auszug. My question is...

Do me and my husband both need a certificate? I do not work so I have no accounts or debt.

Thanks for the info.

dawiz 03.12.2010 17:41

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cybersuz (Post 1033558)
Hi all,

We are starting our hunt for a new apartment and we need to go get our Betreibungsregister-Auszug. My question is...

Do me and my husband both need a certificate? I do not work so I have no accounts or debt.

Thanks for the info.

yes, generally both of you do. It doesn't matter if you work or not - the Betreibungsregister doesn't contain info on your personal debt but on unpaid bills that resulted in payment summons. If you never got a summons, the extract will say so (and that's a good thing - if you have registered payment summons in there, chances are you won't get the apartment).

Peter

bb82 25.05.2011 11:53

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Hi all,

I'm a new member of the forum, I actually live in Italy but I will start working in Winterthur on next June.
I'm struggling to find an apartment for me and my girlfriend, but I'm facing the infamous betreibungsauskunft riddle...
The problem is that I went to betreibungs office in Winterthur but the employee told me that they can't provide such document because I haven't lived in Switzerland!
Now, how does it work?
If I don't have betreibungsauskunft I can't rent an apartment, but if I can't rent an apartment I can't have the residence permit, and without a residence I can't have the betreibungsauskunft!
I'm very very confused...

Thanks in advance to everybody will pay attention to my message!

andrea_1984 25.05.2011 12:43

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Hi bb82,
I am also italian and I am also moving to Switzerland, Zürich area. From wha I understood the betreibungsauskunft is something like the "attestato buon pagatore" which you can get from www.crif.it I hope it helps.
Saluti :)

ToothCentral 02.03.2012 03:33

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
Got to this forum by Google-ing betreib...bla bla bla ;-)
I'm moving in July with my Swiss born wife, she's been here since 1999, and we've got an apartment ready for us... tho got to prove we have no debts in Switzerland :-)... we been asked to provide the Btbsk. which is silly, since we are not even one day in Switzerland yet LOL. We got a letter off to the Consulate in SanFran. I got my 3 free credit reports from the US to give, but since reading all the posts here, I don't think it's going to be accepted... glad I didn't pay for it ;-)

tschüess ya'all :-)

dqpdang 05.03.2012 23:33

Re: the betreibungsauskunft riddle...
 
I went to the Kreis 11 Betreibungsamt in Zürich today to pick up my Betreibungsauskunft. Wanted to share my experience to clarify/update some details.

In addition to your residence permit card, be sure to bring your Meldebestätigung paper permit (the sheet the Kreisburo gives you when you first register). I only had my permit card on me, and so I was charged 27 CHF. The fee is only 17 CHF if you present both permit documents.

As someone stated above, they can make copies for you for 2 CHF a piece. But these are literally just photocopies, so you could save yourself a bit of money by simply doing that on your own time.

What makes it original, is the blue stamp. Every original w/colored stamp that you request will 17/27 CHF, even if you get 2 in the same sitting.

Hope this helps!


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