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Thanks for the link! A succinct piece of documentation - but I had a couple of follow on questions on matters that the document did not explicitly point out.


1) Using the basic 3 pin configuration as reference, which is the live and which is the neutral pin? I assume the sockets / plugs are polarised since there is only one way one can insert the 3 pin plugs.


2) What about 2 pin plugs?


2) If the Swiss plugs are fuseless, what differentiates the 2.5A EN 50075 from the 10A Typ 11? Is it the rating of the cable that is attached to the said plugs and not so much a difference in the plug itself?


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1) Looking at the pins of the plug with the earth (middle) at the bottom, the live is on the left. In any case the sockets and plugs are labelled inside, and in practice you should always assume the "neutral" could be live due to poor wiring, switching issues, short circuits or even by design (for example with remotely switched sockets with multiple switches).

2) Irrelevant as they're reversible!

3?) No idea, they look identical and there's no corresponding socket so it must just be some level of quality in the plug.
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Old 18.09.2015, 12:51
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We have exactly the combination that the OP has described with 2 adjacent 3 phase sockets. My wife is currently (!) has a wash load running. As soon as it is finished, I'll check, out of curiosity, if the sockets are so wired, that when 3 pin plugs are inserted in each, they are on different phases. It would be nice if they were from a load point of view, but potentially (!) dangerous in a fault situation, because there could be 400 Volts between 2 devices (iphone on charge and curling tongs, for instance)
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I have a 16A three phase extension cord in my kitchen that I use for load balancing the various appliences.

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Old 18.09.2015, 13:09
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I have a 16A three phase extension cord in my kitchen that I use for load balancing the various appliences.

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Okay, this is not meant to be funny (maybe) but an honest question.


If you had the 5 pin 3 phase socket, how do you manage the load balance?


Does an appliance draw evenly from each of the phases? Or do you selectively detach pins from the plugs, leaving just the one live pin for the corresponding circuit that you had intended to use for the given appliance - and you alternate that between plugs/appliances to achieve the load balance?


Maybe I'm just over thinking this...
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I have a 16A three phase extension cord in my kitchen that I use for load balancing the various appliences.

Tom
Have only a T15 to 3xT13
https://shop.gifas.ch/en_US/small-di...mode=itemgroup

Here the T25 to 3xT23 version
https://shop.gifas.ch/en_US/multi-co...mode=itemgroup

Still good enough to run up to 9 Raclette ovens (assuming ~1000W each, a 13A fuse, and the fact that that they will not always run at the same time). Also, T25 sockets are not very common.

(Other versions, with longer cables https://shop.gifas.ch/en_US/product-...temlist_page=1)
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Re: Electric plugs for washing machine and tumble drier

Personally I prefer not to muck around with electrics for high voltage appliances, but hey ho.

Again, wonder about the insurance/ECAP situation in case of fire or other damage if DIY (as said, not saying, just asking!).

When we had to clear the apartment of a friend who died a couple of years ago- behind her bed settee was a double plug held to the wall with grey tape, as it had come loose- and 2 x 5 plug extensions with all her gadgets, TV, radio, computer, etc, etc- from it- with the blanket drapped over the lot but at least they were not high voltage gadgets.
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Okay, this is not meant to be funny (maybe) but an honest question.


If you had the 5 pin 3 phase socket, how do you manage the load balance?


Does an appliance draw evenly from each of the phases? Or do you selectively detach pins from the plugs, leaving just the one live pin for the corresponding circuit that you had intended to use for the given appliance - and you alternate that between plugs/appliances to achieve the load balance?


Maybe I'm just over thinking this...
A three phase device draws more or less equally from all three phases.
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Re: Electric plugs for washing machine and tumble drier

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Personally I prefer not to muck around with electrics for high voltage appliances, but hey ho.

Again, wonder about the insurance/ECAP situation in case of fire or other damage if DIY (as said, not saying, just asking!).

When we had to clear the apartment of a friend who died a couple of years ago- behind her bed settee was a double plug held to the wall with grey tape, as it had come loose- and 2 x 5 plug extensions with all her gadgets, TV, radio, computer, etc, etc- from it- with the blanket drapped over the lot but at least they were not high voltage gadgets.
I once lived in a house where upon removing a skirting board I found a cable that had been put together from short lengths of leftover cable of differing quality, each held onto the next by insulating tape which had melted in places. About half the sockets in the house were fed through this cable.
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Old 18.09.2015, 13:39
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If you had the 5 pin 3 phase socket, how do you manage the load balance?
There is a 5 pin plug at one end, and three three pin sockets at the other (cable is 5m long), each using a separate phase, but common neutral and PG.

I made the cable myself, from a plug and cable sourced from an industrial supplier (plug is the old large type, 80mm in diameter or so).

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230/400 is NOT high voltage.

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There is a 5 pin plug at one end, and three three pin sockets at the other (cable is 5m long), each using a separate phase, but common neutral and PG.

I made the cable myself, from a plug and cable sourced from an industrial supplier (plug is the old large type, 80mm in diameter or so).

Tom


Gotcha, Tom. That seems reasonable to me.
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(plug is the old large type, 80mm in diameter or so).

Tom
The old large type
In military we had a box full of "old large type" to IEC 60309 converters cables, and still we were not always able to hook up our equipment to mains as some old remote barn on some remote alp had yet another "old large type" not in our box. Let's start the big noisy generator.
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The old large type
In military we had a box full of "old large type" to IEC 60309 converters cables, and still we were not always able to hook up our equipment to mains as some old remote barn on some remote alp had yet another "old large type" not in our box. Let's start the big noisy generator.
The industrial supplier only had one, and it was used.

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Paddy, just go and get an electrician, the Chf 200.-- you save will be useless if you're in a wooden box, trust me
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230/400 is NOT high voltage.

Tom
Fair enough- our older dryer (must be about 15 years old, from UK) is the only appliance in the house that makes the electrical counter make an audible whirring noise (we use it about once in a blue moon- American cousins last week used it non-stop though).
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No UK fuse? No problem..

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To wire up 2 plugs? You're joking, right?
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Hahaha.

A little unnecessary tbh, the only times I have used gloves was in torrential rain when connecting 10,000 W lamps on a film shoot, we were running 64amp 3 phase at the time, the earth was a pole in the ground.

You will probably tell me you got a shock once in the bathroom, that would have been due to incorrect / non existent earthing on the plumbing
I have worked for many years on voltages (Pulsed) up to 35,000 volts, and I seldom had a shock above 110 volts, maybe because I am careful... my colleagues however were not so careful: poor electricians die young, it is brutal, but it is the truth.

In the desert the earthing pole is not always satisfactory due to the dry sand. Many a young lad has been instructed to drink a lot & pee on the pole, to get a better earth!
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To wire up 2 plugs? You're joking, right?


Paddy, go and get an electrician, he may be able to wire the washer up as 380, in which case the washing cycle period will go down.


If you know what you are doing it is a doddle, if you don't it isn't worth risking your health, or the machine.
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I have worked for many years on voltages (Pulsed) up to 35,000 volts, and I seldom had a shock above 110 volts, maybe because I am careful... my colleagues however were not so careful: poor electricians die young, it is brutal, but it is the truth.
My dad's favourite cousin died during the construction of the Grande Dixence dam - there was not much left of him apparently (one of 15 workers that died during construction=.

For me, the very fact that someone has to ask on EF how to do it = best not to do it.
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Re: Electric plugs for washing machine and tumble drier

OK, getting very mixed messages here. Presuming I can wire up a standard 3-pin Swiss plug correctly (as I have done many times in the past), what exactly are the potential risks? Both machines will be on a trip, so what else could go wrong?
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