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where to buy Franke sinks without getting robbed ?

Hey,

I got my eye on a Franke sink, but franke.com swiss prices are much much higher than the prices I've seen when buying from a kitchen vendor.

Anyone know of a swiss online shop where one can buy Franke sinks to a good price without also buying a full kitchen ?
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Re: where to buy Franke sinks without getting robbed ?

See if you can find the same model here for less:
http://www.reuter.de

They are located near Freiburg, but deliver by post.
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Re: where to buy Franke sinks without getting robbed ?

That was quick! And yes the prices there are muuuch better.

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Re: where to buy Franke sinks without getting robbed ?

ah...one caveat - 108 euro for shipment still cheaper though.
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Re: where to buy Franke sinks without getting robbed ?

Not sure who is doing the work for you- but beware. Most tradesmen, and especially kitchen fitters and plumbers, will only fit and install equipment that has been purchased from their suppliers (they get a cut) - and will point blank refuse to do it otherwise.
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ah...one caveat - 108 euro for shipment still cheaper though.
Can you collect it?
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Re: where to buy Franke sinks without getting robbed ?

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Not sure who is doing the work for you- but beware. Most tradesmen, and especially kitchen fitters and plumbers, will only fit and install equipment that has been purchased from their suppliers (they get a cut) - and will point blank refuse to do it otherwise.

Swiss regulations allow you to fit a sink yourself assuming the plumbing is in place and you just need to connect the taps and drain.
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Re: where to buy Franke sinks without getting robbed ?

Of course- but if you get a bathroom or kitchen fitted from scratch- it will be built into the job and estimate- and will affect goodwill and guarantees.
We know our plumber will drop everything and rush here in an emergency- even in the middle of the night- because we agreed to this. That's the way it works around here, that is for sure.
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ah...one caveat - 108 euro for shipment still cheaper though.
They are located in Freiburg, which iis about 45 minutes or so from Basel. Also, the MWST can be recouped if you pick it up. It may be difficult to refund if you buy online.
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They are located in Freiburg, which iis about 45 minutes or so from Basel. Also, the MWST can be recouped if you pick it up. It may be difficult to refund if you buy online.
On their website they have a selector for the country which seems to adjust the MWST. So if you order, it might be a price to CH with the tax and duties included? You will want to check this out to see.
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Re: where to buy Franke sinks without getting robbed ?

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Not sure who is doing the work for you- but beware. Most tradesmen, and especially kitchen fitters and plumbers, will only fit and install equipment that has been purchased from their suppliers (they get a cut) - and will point blank refuse to do it otherwise.
A very good reason to use foreign workers then.
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On their website they have a selector for the country which seems to adjust the MWST. So if you order, it might be a price to CH with the tax and duties included? You will want to check this out to see.
If you provide a CH delivery address, then certainly CH tax at 8% will be included but a fat delivery charge will be added and the base price may even be different (maybe not with this store, I havent checked). If you provide a German address, then German VAT at 19% will be added (or already included in the advertised price -- check!)
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Re: where to buy Franke sinks without getting robbed ?

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and will point blank refuse to do it otherwise.
Happens all the time.

- Can you fix this with my parts?
- No, you have to buy them from us. It's about safety, warranty, whatever.
- But I already have the parts
- Sorry, you must buy from us
- Ok, I'll ask somewhere else
- (big grin) Allright, we'll do it, but only this one time and NO WARRANTY!
(and then, as usual, a bill shows up in the mail and seeing it you wish you've actually gone somewhere else ...)
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Re: where to buy Franke sinks without getting robbed ?

Or you can ask them up front, after you get their estimate. You throw in, "And I want to buy the parts myself, alright?". The response is typically "well, ok".

The fact OP is looking to buy the part indicates he/she has already worked that out.
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A very good reason to use foreign workers then.
Absolutely, until you get to that part:

We know our plumber will drop everything and rush here in an emergency- even in the middle of the night- because we agreed to this.
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Re: where to buy Franke sinks without getting robbed ?

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And you've had a midnight plumbing emergency exactly how many times in your life? There are plenty of plumbers available who'll be happy to come any time of the day or night (for a fee, of course -- and don't imagine that "your" plumber won't milk the biggest fee possible out of you, either), even if they've never met you. Admittedly, there are more plumbers in the cities where most of us live than in t'countryside, but even out in the sticks there's competition.

Living your whole life in fear of the crisis that is highly unlikely to eventuate would get a little wearing after a while.

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And you've had a midnight plumbing emergency exactly how many times in your life? There are plenty of plumbers available who'll be happy to come any time of the day or night (for a fee, of course -- and don't imagine that "your" plumber won't milk the biggest fee possible out of you, either), even if they've never met you. Admittedly, there are more plumbers in the cities where most of live than in t'countryside, but even out in the sticks there's competition.

Living your whole life in fear of the crisis that is highly unlikely to eventuate would get a little wearing after a while.
Very true plus you have to take your own circumstances into account.

For example, where the water enters my apartment there is a distribution panel with different valves for each "section" of the apartment so should I have an emergency I can simply turn off the water to that part.
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Re: where to buy Franke sinks without getting robbed ?

We have used reuter de for 3 shower/bathrooms and I would recommend them. We had a crack in a sink and they send us a new one for free. I like their website and their customer service seems to be present at all times.

Our sanitair installed it without any problems. I did buy only the ceramics and hardware at Reuter and left all connections and plumbing with the plumber for reasons of warranty.

Since Getaz stopped giving the 20% discount to plumbers the latter are not as keen as they used to be to also supply the ceramics...
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We have used reuter de for 3 shower/bathrooms and I would recommend them. We had a crack in a sink and they send us a new one for free. I like their website and their customer service seems to be present at all times.

Our sanitair installed it without any problems. I did buy only the ceramics and hardware at Reuter and left all connections and plumbing with the plumber for reasons of warranty.

Since Getaz stopped giving the 20% discount to plumbers the latter are not as keen as they used to be to also supply the ceramics...
I've done the same. Simply tell your contractors you intend to buy your own products. Not sure, but there may be a difference in standards between Switzerland and Germany, and according to year. I think there may be differences in the space between Hot and Cold pipes in the wall, particularly around showers and sinks. Old standard space was once 120cm, then is now something else, and possibly something elses in Germany. So be sure to confirm production specifications fit. Otherwise, they accept returns.
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A very good reason to use foreign workers then.
Today most employers of foreign workers are fed up with the Swiss bureaucracy and are refusing contracts in Switzerland. They are required to state exactly when and where they will be working, and to leave 50% of wages as a deposit, in a government fund. They must also be paid wages compatible to Swiss wages. So there is no extra profit against employing Swiss tradesmen, plus all the hassle in getting the permission.

http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/zu-...id4183798.html
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