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Old 27.11.2015, 22:20
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Re: How exactly does the Minergie heating work?

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Btw the boiler should have a thermometer of its own, maybe go look if it's really 37C.
It's for the whole building, I have no access at all. So when the whole system was broken on the weekend, even if I had rang my own plumber I can't get to it anyway

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Is every drop of hot water in the place only at 37C? Bathroom sink as well as the bath? Kitchen too?

Reason I ask is that some fancy bath/shower faucets have a preset limit at 37C so that small children - or for that matter adults - can't accidentally knock the faucet all the way over to hot and scald themselves. If yours happens to be one of these special faucets and you just turn it toward "hot" it will stop at 37; you typically have to do some special maneuver - pull something out, lift something up, press a button, etc. - to get it to continue to turn past that.



As regards the air temperature... a simple low-tech thermometer that you hang up on the wall should be about 2-3 francs from any DIY store. Get several, hang them in various places around the flat.
EDIT: Here you go, this sort of thing: https://produkte.migros.ch/thermometer-weiss
For the water, it's just a normal left and right thing. I get varying results, sometimes I get hot hot for 30 seconds, sometimes 10 seconds, sometimes only lukewarm. It is not always the same like in other apts. I have more success when it's on half pressure but then it takes years to fill the bath. Sometimes turning it off and on 10 times I finally get 30 seconds of hot ie actually hot water.

I can't imagine it is supposed to be like this? that boiling water in pots is quicker?

For the air, I didn't see them at COOP. I know I need to go where hornbach is but it's a bit far out and just haven't had the chance, hopefully tomorrow.
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Old 28.11.2015, 00:27
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Re: How exactly does the Minergie heating work?

Migros have very cheap thermometers... In either the electrical section or the cooking section, they are 'fridge' ones that are round disc shape, but should have the range from -20 throught to 50+ degrees, cost less than 5chf.

Turn your bath tap on full and let it run for 5 minutes, that should give you a very hot temperature... If it's not over 45 degrees by then, at full/100% hot, then something may be very wrong and the landlord needs to sort it out.

In my experience, it may be better to first speak with your neighbour and see if they are having the same problem...

I work in a 'minergie' building with air circulation and it is a constant 24 degrees, all year round, yet the floors always seem 'cold'. This is not a problem of cold as such, but because the floors are concrete and tile and they always feel cold to touch... So maybe you should also add some rugs, mats and heavy curtains for the winter?

And definitely get a thermometer. With this very unusal long hot summer we solved a lot of arguments with an indoor/outdoor thermometer, as one family member percieves a hot wind as 'cold'...
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For the water, it's just a normal left and right thing. I get varying results, sometimes I get hot hot for 30 seconds, sometimes 10 seconds, sometimes only lukewarm. It is not always the same like in other apts. I have more success when it's on half pressure but then it takes years to fill the bath. Sometimes turning it off and on 10 times I finally get 30 seconds of hot ie actually hot water.

I can't imagine it is supposed to be like this? that boiling water in pots is quicker?
Ah, so there is hot water in the system - it is just not being refilled fast enough or perhaps frequently enough to keep up with demand. Does it seem to make any difference what time of day you shower - i.e. perhaps very early in the morning, before your neighbors have had theirs?

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For the air, I didn't see them at COOP. I know I need to go where hornbach is but it's a bit far out and just haven't had the chance, hopefully tomorrow.
A Coop bau+hobby should have them, ditto a Migros do+it, a Jumbo, a hardware store. Or yes, Hornbach and OBI, but those are overkill unless they really are the options nearest your home.
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Turn your bath tap on full and let it run for 5 minutes, that should give you a very hot temperature... If it's not over 45 degrees by then, at full/100% hot, then something may be very wrong and the landlord needs to sort it out.

In my experience, it may be better to first speak with your neighbour and see if they are having the same problem...

I work in a 'minergie' building with air circulation and it is a constant 24 degrees, all year round, yet the floors always seem 'cold'. This is not a problem of cold as such, but because the floors are concrete and tile and they always feel cold to touch... So maybe you should also add some rugs, mats and heavy curtains for the winter?
Do you have thermostats in your building? If I run the water it could be hot for 30 seconds at full blast, or not, there is no ideal time of day yet. I do know the first night after moving and a long trip my 11pm bath was cold and not many people where moved in yet. I need to try asking some people, I haven't met many, the owner says it's only me although admitted the 1 weekend it was "broken" and I was told it was because never bought the wood pellets

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Ah, so there is hot water in the system - it is just not being refilled fast enough or perhaps frequently enough to keep up with demand. Does it seem to make any difference what time of day you shower - i.e. perhaps very early in the morning, before your neighbors have had theirs?



A Coop bau+hobby should have them, ditto a Migros do+it, a Jumbo, a hardware store. Or yes, Hornbach and OBI, but those are overkill unless they really are the options nearest your home.

Time of day isn't really making a difference. It's a central system so I'd assume it is supposed to be enough for everyone? I don't get up at dawn so it's later in the morning/afternoon so I'd think a very "low demand" time. Same as night. I dont know how many buildings run off the same system, I don't even know where it is. Many of the flats though are 3 and 4 bedrooms, so I'd be a little shocked if the system can't cope now as some are still empty.

I need to look if we have the bau+hobby shop near. I haven't seen it. The migros do it is 25kms or something, so not near by either. See why I don't have any yet?
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Re: How exactly does the Minergie heating work?

While I see some sense in these Minergie houses (because we as humans are inherently too careless to take care of our own resources and heat like crazy just to be able to wear t-shirts in the middle of winter), I could absolutely never live in one again. I just recently moved out of a building that was built by this standard. You have no way of heating the place in the dead of winter and I was really freezing half the time. The rooms are always kept at around 19-20 degrees, but 1-2 degrees really make a hell of a difference in that temperature range.
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While I see some sense in these Minergie houses (because we as humans are inherently too careless to take care of our own resources and heat like crazy just to be able to wear t-shirts in the middle of winter), I could absolutely never live in one again. I just recently moved out of a building that was built by this standard. You have no way of heating the place in the dead of winter and I was really freezing half the time. The rooms are always kept at around 19-20 degrees, but 1-2 degrees really make a hell of a difference in that temperature range.
Well the temp is over 18 so legally fine but I am cold half the time and it's not even cold outside right now, it's warmer outside than inside in the sun

So I guess I need to buy heaters, another thing on the "never had to buy this when renting before" list.
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Re: How exactly does the Minergie heating work?

That's exactly the point ... legally, the house is warm enough, but it'd be a whole lot warmer if the temperature were kept at 22 C, but that would also waste a lot more resources...
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Re: How exactly does the Minergie heating work?

A friend had a similar but opposite problem, the apartment was always way too hot, maybe 25-27C. After not getting much help from the landlord, asking neighbours we eventually found a control panel which was behind a board in a built in cupboard in the kitchen. It had simple tap like controls for each room. A bit of a fiddle with those and it was better but no it's not really controllable and can take quite some time to make a difference either to cool down or to heat up again.

My apartment has recently had a change of owner and now the heating is switched off late evening and back on again some time in the morning. That's fine except it still pumps and the thermostatic valves then open and the rads all make a whooshing noise all night.
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Re: How exactly does the Minergie heating work?

Ours is Minergie spec with regards to insulation and triple-glazed glass but without the air re-flow system required to allow it to have a Minergie certificate.

It's great - really low heating costs, lovely floor heating and we never need to touch a single thermostat.

Something's seriously wrong if you can't have the temperatures you want in a modern home.
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Something's seriously wrong if you can't have the temperatures you want in a modern home.
That is what I don't get. We're advancing in life no? I shouldn't have to buy portable heaters should I? I mean aren't we past those days? What next a bon fire in the living room?

I am still waiting for a reply on the water though, it's never the right temp. I start the bath on the hottest, leave it 5-6 mins and well no need to add cold
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That is what I don't get. We're advancing in life no? I shouldn't have to buy portable heaters should I? I mean aren't we past those days? What next a bon fire in the living room?

I am still waiting for a reply on the water though, it's never the right temp. I start the bath on the hottest, leave it 5-6 mins and well no need to add cold
Keep fighting it. Something is wrong. Something was wrong with ours (and all our neighbours) when we moved in.
The heating guys/electricians/architect couldn't find anything wrong for ages and it wasn't until I fixed ours myself that they admitted that there was a problem.
(it's really not rocket science)

If your neighbours have the same problem as you, perhaps you ought to get an independent specialist in to have a look and if there is something wrong which seems plausible, you probably have grounds to recuperate some or all of the money.
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