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How exactly does the Minergie heating work?

I am told because this building is Minergie there is zero thermostat. So I am confused how the temp is regulated? The floor is always cold and I'm cold. I'm told "this is the way Minergie works" and there is no off/on and if you're cold or hot it's just "the way it is"

If the apartment is cold the system doesn't try to make it warmer? I have to go buy heaters I assume, but never expected it to be honest!
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Re: How exactly does the Minergie heating work?

Probably all Minergie buildings aren't the same but in my apartment I have a little cupboard where I can regulate the heating of each floor, a bit like with a radiator.
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The floor is always cold and I'm cold.
In this heatwave?

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Re: How exactly does the Minergie heating work?

How cold is it?

The landlord is required to keep the place at above a certain temp:

http://www.hausinfo.ch/de/home/recht...ng/heizen.html

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I am told because this building is Minergie there is zero thermostat. So I am confused how the temp is regulated? The floor is always cold and I'm cold. I'm told "this is the way Minergie works" and there is no off/on and if you're cold or hot it's just "the way it is"

If the apartment is cold the system doesn't try to make it warmer? I have to go buy heaters I assume, but never expected it to be honest!
in my experience that's how minergie works. put an underspec heating system in so that it uses less energy by not adequately heating the building
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Re: How exactly does the Minergie heating work?

If a building has a Minergie certificate, it means that it has minimized the loss of energy and is capable of maintaining a comfortable level inside without too much use of heating/ventilation.

This does not mean it has no thermostat - it means that you don't need to heat as much because there is a good conservation of energy due to many factors, including the materials used, the percentage of windows, insulation, etc.

As mentioned before, your house must be at a comfortable temperature. There are guidelines for it and your landlord must make sure to comply with it. However, November has been unbealivable hot (I have all my windows open, and find it still a bit too warm), so I am a bit concerned that your level of comfort might be way off the chart... There must be, however, at least a central thermostat to control the temperature, even if there are no individual thermostats on each room. Older buildings might have no individual thermostats in each apartment, though - it might be that it's in the heating room, to which tennants have no access. Contact your landlord again to try to find a solution.
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Probably all Minergie buildings aren't the same but in my apartment I have a little cupboard where I can regulate the heating of each floor, a bit like with a radiator.
We have some pipes but I am told I am not allowed to touch them and it's not clear what I would do with them either or which is which

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In this heatwave?

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it's warm outside in the sun but inside not so much at night and in the morning

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How cold is it?

The landlord is required to keep the place at above a certain temp:

http://www.hausinfo.ch/de/home/recht...ng/heizen.html

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I guess I need to buy a thermostat. In the USA/UK I had something on the wall that told me what the temp was and I could make it warmer/cooler etc. I have just on demand heating in France, now it seems I get what I get but I don't even know how it can be regulated really, there is nothing anywhere to tell if it's too hot or cold

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in my experience that's how minergie works. put an underspec heating system in so that it uses less energy by not adequately heating the building
I am finding this, the lack of continuous hot water is also not an issue to them, maybe another Minergie "perk"?
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There must be, however, at least a central thermostat to control the temperature, even if there are no individual thermostats on each room.
Really? There is nothing. I know some like it hotter and some like it colder. Right now it's warm inside but last night I was cold. Is it set to a certain temp? I guess I am not used to having zero control

The other day there was no hot water/heat and it was rather cold (the landlord couldn't reach anyone to fix it he claimed) and now it's hit or miss if the floor is freezing or not. So I can open a window now if I am hot but if I am cold again tomorrow morning or tonight I am screwed unless I buy a heater?
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Really? There is nothing. I know some like it hotter and some like it colder. Right now it's warm inside but last night I was cold. Is it set to a certain temp? I guess I am not used to having zero control
I'm sorry, I can't really answer these questions. Each project is different... It's impossible to say were your main control could be. Mine, for example, is in the entrance wardrobe, under the bottom board.

As for hot water, it's rather odd that you don't have it. However, it is sometimes really hard to find a worker during weekends...

Try to mediate with your landlord. I would still advise you to join the http://asloca.ch/ which can give you a little protection and a lot of information to help you during your life as a tennant in Switzerland.
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Re: How exactly does the Minergie heating work?

Still cold, I have valves for the floor heating, does anyone know how to mess with them? I am told I am not allowed to but I am cold.

Also measured the water temp, 36/37 can't be "hot"? First flat here, but in the hotel the water was boiling hot!
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Still cold, I have valves for the floor heating, does anyone know how to mess with them? I am told I am not allowed to but I am cold.

Also measured the water temp, 36/37 can't be "hot"? First flat here, but in the hotel the water was boiling hot!
Just as a matter of interest, what is the air temperature in your flat?
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Just as a matter of interest, what is the air temperature in your flat?
I need to buy a thermometer, I keep forgetting! I used a cooking one for the water temp. I have on a jumper and scarf and I'm cold
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Re: How exactly does the Minergie heating work?

37 degrees is unacceptable imho, a boiler should be 70° otherwise things will grow in it, i also couldn't even shower with such low temperature, even a solar system usually has a backup with a resistance or something in the boiler, have you seen the boiler?

for the valves maybe post a photo, but be careful to mess with this if you don't know what you are doing, especially if you have parquet.
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Re: How exactly does the Minergie heating work?

37 Deg. is definitely not 'hot' - and could be a health hazard.

See here:

http://www.hev-schweiz.ch/bauen-wohn...30ef2118497a93

'Never under 50 degrees….'


You need to talk with the landlord and figure this out.
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Re: How exactly does the Minergie heating work?

"Minergie " Is Italian it means put some socks on
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I need to buy a thermometer, I keep forgetting! I used a cooking one for the water temp. I have on a jumper and scarf and I'm cold
Get a point and shoot IR thermometer, cheap on ebay, etc.

I use it all the time.

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Re: How exactly does the Minergie heating work?

when I left Switzerland Temp. was measured in Celsius. When it is 37 Degree C. I will go to Mexico to Cool of
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37 Deg. is definitely not 'hot' - and could be a health hazard.

See here:

http://www.hev-schweiz.ch/bauen-wohn...30ef2118497a93

'Never under 50 degrees….'


You need to talk with the landlord and figure this out.
I read about that and it is a worry as my kid has open wounds from eczema. He didn't believe me it was not hot so I have been taking photos of a cooking therm of the water temp

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Get a point and shoot IR thermometer, cheap on ebay, etc.

I use it all the time.

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Is there a quick option? Ebay will take a while I think? does it work for air too?

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when I left Switzerland Temp. was measured in Celsius. When it is 37 Degree C. I will go to Mexico to Cool of

water temp, not in the flat! no no no it's not that warm, it's cold
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Re: How exactly does the Minergie heating work?

Btw the boiler should have a thermometer of its own, maybe go look if it's really 37°C.
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Re: How exactly does the Minergie heating work?

Is every drop of hot water in the place only at 37C? Bathroom sink as well as the bath? Kitchen too?

Reason I ask is that some fancy bath/shower faucets have a preset limit at 37C so that small children - or for that matter adults - can't accidentally knock the faucet all the way over to hot and scald themselves. If yours happens to be one of these special faucets and you just turn it toward "hot" it will stop at 37; you typically have to do some special maneuver - pull something out, lift something up, press a button, etc. - to get it to continue to turn past that.



As regards the air temperature... a simple low-tech thermometer that you hang up on the wall should be about 2-3 francs from any DIY store. Get several, hang them in various places around the flat.
EDIT: Here you go, this sort of thing: https://produkte.migros.ch/thermometer-weiss
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