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without permit, can I keep my apartment for few more month?

Hello, All.
I was woking in EPFL , Lausanne for 4 years as a phD student.
After my graduation, B permit has been changed to L permit to stay 6 month more in Switzerland.
If I cannot find any job or position befre the end of Dec,2015... my permit will be expired and I have to go back to my country.
Fortunately, I can stay 90 days more without permit, so it means that I can stay in Switzerland until the end of March 2016.
From Jan to March 2016, I will stay here as a tourist then.
And I am considering to tell my agency around december that I want to move out in 3month.


1. Is it okay to keep my apartment here for 3month as a tourist?


2. and one another question,,
If I get a position which is gonna start in July 2016, probably I have to go back to my country and come back again with new visa or permit.
In this case, can I sublet my apartment to someone for few month??
I mean,, even I do not have a permit here, is it allow to sublet my place?


Please give any advise if you know about this situation..
Thank you for the help.
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Old 14.11.2015, 13:38
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Re: without permit, can I keep my apartment for few more month?

You don't need a residence permit to rent an apartment in Switzerland. The owners/property management people are not immigration. Living here without a permit would be a completely different matter, though again it is between you and the authorities/immigration, it is not the business of the homeowner/property management people.
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Re: without permit, can I keep my apartment for few more month?

Okay, so I will not have any problem to keep the apartment without permit..right?
Thank you for the answer.
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Re: without permit, can I keep my apartment for few more month?

You don't need a residence permit to rent an apartment in Switzerland. The owners/property management people are not immigration.
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Re: without permit, can I keep my apartment for few more month?

However, if asked, the owners do have to give info to the authorities.
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Re: without permit, can I keep my apartment for few more month?

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However, if asked, the owners do have to give info to the authorities.
True, but renting an apartment in Switzerland does not automatically mean that that person is living there in that apartment!
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Re: without permit, can I keep my apartment for few more month?

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Hello, All.
I was woking in EPFL , Lausanne for 4 years as a phD student.
After my graduation, B permit has been changed to L permit to stay 6 month more in Switzerland.
If I cannot find any job or position befre the end of Dec,2015... my permit will be expired and I have to go back to my country.
Fortunately, I can stay 90 days more without permit, so it means that I can stay in Switzerland until the end of March 2016.
From Jan to March 2016, I will stay here as a tourist then.
And I am considering to tell my agency around december that I want to move out in 3month.


1. Is it okay to keep my apartment here for 3month as a tourist?


2. and one another question,,
If I get a position which is gonna start in July 2016, probably I have to go back to my country and come back again with new visa or permit.
In this case, can I sublet my apartment to someone for few month??
I mean,, even I do not have a permit here, is it allow to sublet my place?


Please give any advise if you know about this situation..
Thank you for the help.
1. Shouldn't be a problem.

2. Could be a problem. Why? Well, if you've given notice to your landlord that you're leaving March you're not going to be able to sublet it until July now are you? You would either have to hang to it from the end of December, hoping you find another job or simply give it up in March and find a new place if/when you get another job here. And there's no guarantee a new job would even be in the same canton which is another problem for you as non-EU nationals are supposed to live in the same canton that their workplace is located in.

Entry date for tourist status shouldn't be difficult to prove. After all the authorities will give him a document showing that's he's deregistered as being a resident which ought to act as an entry date as a tourist don't you think?
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Re: without permit, can I keep my apartment for few more month?

I have asked to the government about staying for 90days more after the expiration of my permit.
And they told me that I don't need to be out from EU physically for this purpose. But just I have to carry my expired permit to prove that I was legally staying in Switzerland before as a tourist.
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1. Shouldn't be a problem.
Exactly. You don't need a residence permit to rent an apartment in Switzerland. The landlord/property management office are not immigration!
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Re: without permit, can I keep my apartment for few more month?

I don't see why a tourist can rent a hotel/airbnb to stay but cannot rent an apartment.
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Re: without permit, can I keep my apartment for few more month?

There's no reason why they can't as we've said. But most landlords are likely to be looking for long term rentals of more than 3 months which is the tourist limit. As the OP already has an apartment so long as the landlord is happy for him to stay as a tourist he should be fine.

However orangeblue, remember that after the L permit runs out you will come under the non-EU hiring rules which make it much more difficult for employers to be able to hire you. And you may be required to return to your home country to obtain a Type D visa to enter Switzerland long term legally again.
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Re: without permit, can I keep my apartment for few more month?

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I don't see why a tourist can rent a hotel/airbnb to stay but cannot rent an apartment.
A tourist can rent an apartment. Nobody is saying that they can't, and if they are saying that, they are completely wrong!
'You can rent an apartment in Switzerland without needing to produce any residence permit at all', ... means essentially the same as ... 'a tourist can rent an apartment'.
Illegal immigrants and/or non-residents can and do rent apartments!

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Re: without permit, can I keep my apartment for few more month?

One more thing I am wondering.. is about deposit.
I have 3month rental fee as deposit in UBS.
Even though I de-register my self from Switzerland, does the bank account with deposit still safe?
Some of my friends said that it's not allow to have an account at UBS without permit..
(Nobody is sure about it though)
Do you know about this?

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Exactly. You don't need a residence permit to rent an apartment in Switzerland. The landlord/property management office are not immigration!
I don't know in what part of Switzerland you live, but here in Zurich i was asked for a copy of my permit every time i applied. And what's more, they would not rent me a flat on my L permit. It had to be at least a B permit. Maybe the law does not say that you must have a permit, but until now, i have not met a landlord that has not asked to see my permit. But in this case the OP will probably get away with it because the contract is already signed, and they do not have to show the permit again. So the landlord will not know about the expired visa. Now if that is legal or not, i couldn't say.
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Re: without permit, can I keep my apartment for few more month?

It's not a legal requirement to have a permit before you can rent somewhere. But what each landlord/agency decides to do regarding permits is entirely up to them.

It can also depend on other factors like whether you already have an employment contract, your employer has actually arranged temp accommodation on your behalf, etc.
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