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NEST Smart Thermostat

Would the following potentially work here in Switzerland?

https://store.nest.com/uk/product/thermostat/

I know that there are competing brands from Tado and Netatmo but this is the one I like the look of.

Any idea?
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Old 02.12.2015, 10:55
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Re: NEST Smart Thermostat

Anyone know anyone who installs thermostats at all?
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Old 02.12.2015, 12:24
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Re: NEST Smart Thermostat

I was going to reply but the more I looked into it, the more questions there were rather than answers.

The first was whether you had your own boiler?

The second was whether you had underfloor heating? If you have then I'm not sure of the point as changes can take a day or so to take effect.
You may as well stick with current thermostats. set them once and just forget them. The boiler itself will have summer and winter settings.
But that doesn't look so cool.

So you could't dial into it from your smart phone to have the heating switch on when you get home as underfloor heating really needs to be on the whole time - when it is on.
You're not going to be able to have the house warmer over breakfast, for example, as suggested in their website.

I can see it being pretty good in the typical drafty English house with bad insulation.

But simply swapping out an existing wall thermostat to the Nest one without doing anything else shouldn't be a problem. It's basically just a switch.

But, of course you'll need one nest for each existing thermostat although it says you could swap just one first.

So, what type of dwelling do you have?
What type of heating do you have?
Is it zoned? (thermostats in each room currently)?
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Old 02.12.2015, 16:37
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Re: NEST Smart Thermostat

Have own boiler yep, couldn't see an actual thermostat on the wall, there was a big box but they said it was for electricity (note I have not gotten the place yet).

No underfloor heating and not particularly wanting it.

It will be a multi floor house, but I think there will be just one thermostat.

As I see it, the European version of Nest comes with a smart box that attaches to the thermostat and simply does on off, and then it communicates wirelessly with the round control dial, which may be placed anywhere within 30m of wifi range of the smart box.
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Old 02.12.2015, 17:10
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Re: NEST Smart Thermostat

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Have own boiler yep, couldn't see an actual thermostat on the wall, there was a big box but they said it was for electricity (note I have not gotten the place yet).

No underfloor heating and not particularly wanting it.

It will be a multi floor house, but I think there will be just one thermostat.

As I see it, the European version of Nest comes with a smart box that attaches to the thermostat and simply does on off, and then it communicates wirelessly with the round control dial, which may be placed anywhere within 30m of wifi range of the smart box.
Your biggest challenge then is the siting of the single thermostat as the temperature of each room will have different characteristics such as how well it holds heat (or loses it), how big it is (and hence how long it takes to heat up) and so on.

Having said that, I assume that you'll have radiators which you can manually set (and leave at that setting), and different rooms may have different temperature requirements (colder bedrooms for example) and so with a bit of adjustment over time, you'd be able to site the thermostat in a useful position where it will adjust the temperature of the whole house but relative to that particular room.

I've looked at these before and they're pretty funky but I'm just not sure whether they'd be particularly useful when used with zoned underfloor heating except perhaps as an indicator of actual temperature in each zone but then a cheap wall mounted thermometer would do the same. But that's not your set-up so I'm digressing.
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Re: NEST Smart Thermostat

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Anyone know anyone who installs thermostats at all?

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Re: NEST Smart Thermostat

Have on of theme on every radiator and one of them for the water temp.














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Old 02.12.2015, 17:48
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Re: NEST Smart Thermostat

Thanks Cannut, would you mind popping over from Canada when i get around to wanting to install this :-)
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Old 02.12.2015, 17:49
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Re: NEST Smart Thermostat

Yeah, I'd do it like you say, though would have to check that the nest is compatible with my heater, which seems to be a Weishaupt Thermo Condens according to whats written on it.

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Your biggest challenge then is the siting of the single thermostat as the temperature of each room will have different characteristics such as how well it holds heat (or loses it), how big it is (and hence how long it takes to heat up) and so on.

Having said that, I assume that you'll have radiators which you can manually set (and leave at that setting), and different rooms may have different temperature requirements (colder bedrooms for example) and so with a bit of adjustment over time, you'd be able to site the thermostat in a useful position where it will adjust the temperature of the whole house but relative to that particular room.

I've looked at these before and they're pretty funky but I'm just not sure whether they'd be particularly useful when used with zoned underfloor heating except perhaps as an indicator of actual temperature in each zone but then a cheap wall mounted thermometer would do the same. But that's not your set-up so I'm digressing.
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Re: NEST Smart Thermostat

Hi,

I bought the Nest thermostat in Amsterdam, brought in to Switzerland and just hooked it up to the heating unit. Works great !
Only the adres on the nest has to somewhere out of Switzerland with bit of the same climate, I chose Italy, 1 hr drive.

So I can adjust and control the heating from my phone! Saves a lot of energy and money, since the house is often empty.

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Re: NEST Smart Thermostat

My flat in London isn't draughty; it's well insulated and has great double glazing. However, I still much prefer the UK system of radiators which get properly hot, and a timer.

Here in Basel all I have is thermostat things on each radiator. That means I need to either continually adjust them or have the apartment the same temperature at all times, which I hate. I like it cold overnight but warmish when I get up. Then I'd like it warm in the evening if I'm in, else it can stay cold.

So in London I have a wireless thermostat/timer. I can program a time range and a temperature. So for example I'll say "I want my flat 22 degrees from 8-8:30am" and it'll turn on the heating before 8am, how much before depends on the current temperature, to ensure the flat is 22 degrees at 8am. Simple.

I admit I save loads here as I hate having the heating on at night, have no way to time it to come on before I get up, so just don't bother. I go straight from my bed into a hot steamy shower, leave the bathroom door open to warm up the flat a bit with the hot steam, then get on with my day. Even turning the heating on in the evening is close to a waste of time as the heaters don't get really hot so are designed to slowly bring the flat up to temp, by which time I've gone to bed. Plus the insulation here is much worse than I have back in London.

There are many people who think that it's cheaper to have a house stay at a set temp all day rather than to continually heat it and let it cool when empty, but they're wrong. Even if it seems reasonable, it's wrong.

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Re: NEST Smart Thermostat

So you might benefit from such a system as nest or tado then adrian.
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So you might benefit from such a system as nest or tado then adrian.
How? I'm in a flat with communal heating and a central boiler. As are most people living in flats here, I assume?
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There are many people who think that it's cheaper to have a house stay at a set temp all day rather than to continually heat it and let it cool when empty, but they're wrong. Even if it seems reasonable, it's wrong.
In my current flat if I turn of the heating completely in winter it takes several _days_ before you start to notice a drop in temperature. If your flat is really properly insulated it's really pointless to try to have different temperatures for day and night. You just keep it at the same temperature all the time.

Another issue is that modern heating systems usually operate at much lower temperatures. So in stead of hot readiators blazing in the morning when the thermostat turns the heating on you have a system that just adds minute amounts of heat in to the house continously.
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How? I'm in a flat with communal heating and a central boiler. As are most people living in flats here, I assume?
Ah ok, my mistake.
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Re: NEST Smart Thermostat

Ok, I have been in touch with Nest and my boiler is compatible apparently.

Does anyone have an idea about an electrician or whoever, in or around Zürich, who could install this thing in my home? That would mean, adding the heat link box to the boiler.
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Re: NEST Smart Thermostat

Just an update really. I've had my google nest installed in my home in Zürich for the last year, and it all works very well. It also combines with the nest security camara and smart smoke detectors... all in all a very good setup and I'm more than happy.

The only compromise is, as Albert posted above, I need to set the location elsewhere. In my case my UK address, as I have the security camara subscription so I just use that... but it's no deal breaker.
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Re: NEST Smart Thermostat

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How do these work ? I mean do they work properly?
Each radiator has a device attached ?
How is the main control ?
Any documentation or website that I can read ?
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How do these work ? I mean do they work properly?
Each radiator has a device attached ?
How is the main control ?
Any documentation or website that I can read ?
They're pretty straightforward and only mechanical.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermo...radiator_valve.

They don't have a main control. They open and close the valve depending on the temperature to which you have set them.

I replaced mine with these:





I then set some rules in openHAB so they:

Turn down at night.
Turn off if the windows get open (to air the house, for example).
Only turn on at specific times (to save money).
Turn on when the room temperature drops so low that freezing pipes may be a problem.

I can also change the temperature via my wall tablet or smart phone.
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Re: NEST Smart Thermostat

So they do not have to be NEST products right? I think like I am going to disturb you a lot Tom
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