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Landlord complaint about ''oil'' on drive

Friday: We came home to a bunch of chalk marked spots on our drive into the garage.

Saturday: We received a strongly worded email from the landlady. They had just repaved the drive last year, and that we have already (in 2 months) created enormous damage to the drive, with new ''oil'' spots. The exact reason why they repaved the drive in the first place. Now since it has been snowing, and the roads have been wet, of course our drive (where we regularly park one car) had wet spots from water/snow/dirt/etc. dripping off the car. Since our landlady is as stubborn as a mule, we tried to go about it in a polite way, and spent the weekend with cardboard under both cars to ensure that neither was leaking oil.

Monday: I replied, stating that we were surprised by her email, and that not only do both of our cars go through regular service and don't lose any oil, we also double checked over the weekend. I added, that we would inspect the spots once the drive has dried (as I expect them to just be spots from runoff), and if necessary, will take action to remove the spots.

Tuesday: We returned home with even more spots marked on our drive, and had clearly entered into our garage as it wasn't closed all the way. I guess she didn't like our response.

Boyfriend has now power washed both the drive and garage, and I have been parking else where so our drive can dry fully. Since our drive is on the bottom side of a hill, and on the north side, it has been difficult for it to dry completely in these days.

We have been trying to take lots of pictures along the way. I just can't understand why she would be accusing us of oil drips in a time when the streets are clearly not dry.

What else can we do to defend ourselves here? Am I stressing myself out too much over this?
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What else can we do to defend ourselves here? Am I stressing myself out too much over this?
Ignore the emails/letters/notes/chalk marks.

If the driveway is damaged when you leave the property you'll be required to fix it, until then the landlord can be as delicate as they like about it - but they can go swivel.
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Ignore the emails/letters/notes/chalk marks.

If the driveway is damaged when you leave the property you'll be required to fix it, until then the landlord can be as delicate as they like about it - but they can go swivel.
Yeah, I think I'm just worked up about it, because the letter was so accusative and attacking. We have been perfectly good tenants, and even agreed to paying 40 francs more just to be able to park the second car in front of our garage as well (which is just ridiculous).
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Re: Landlord complaint about ''oil'' on drive

Driveways suppose to get dirty as the name suggests get it to the landlord's head. I would be worried more why the car is bleeding leaving the oil marks?
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Driveways suppose to get dirty as the name suggests get it to the landlord's head. I would be worried more why the car is bleeding leaving the oil marks?
The thing is, neither car is leaking any oil. We have double checked this over the weekend, and both of the cars were serviced in May/June last year with no problems. We would be willing to get our cars inspected by a garage if our landlord really wants to push the matter (on her expense if she is wrong).

She is just marking any wet spot on the drive, which also has not been completely dry since the snowfall. Additionally, none of the marks are where the engine sits. Really, I think the lady is just daft.

Plus if any car was leaking as much oil as she has marked on our drive, I'm pretty sure the sensor would be going off to let the driver know the engine needs oil.
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The thing is, neither car is leaking any oil. We have double checked this over the weekend, and both of the cars were serviced in May/June last year with no problems. We would be willing to get our cars inspected by a garage if our landlord really wants to push the matter (on her expense if she is wrong).

She is just marking any wet spot on the drive, which also has not been completely dry since the snowfall. Additionally, none of the marks are where the engine sits. Really, I think the lady is just daft.

Plus if any car was leaking as much oil as she has marked on our drive, I'm pretty sure the sensor would be going off to let the driver know the engine needs oil.
If it's not the oil then it's easily washable without using pressure cleaning. Ignore it and when really looks dirty just give it a wipe from time to time. Next time they will blame you to clean walls of the whole building those cranky people
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If it's not the oil then it's easily washable without using pressure cleaning. Ignore it and when really looks dirty just give it a wipe from time to time. Next time they will blame you to clean walls of the building
Yeah I already worry about what move out will look like.
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Additionally, none of the marks are where the engine sits. Really, I think the lady is just daft.
Depending on the car it could be coming from the diff or the gearbox - or it could be another fluid form the car - hydraulic for example. Or grease from a CV joint.

As you say - if the cars are wet it could be dripping dirty (post driving) water onto the drive.

Post a photo on here and we can advise further.
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Depending on the car it could be coming from the diff or the gearbox - or it could be another fluid form the car - hydraulic for example. Or grease from a CV joint.

As you say - if the cars are wet it could be dripping dirty (post driving) water onto the drive.

Post a photo on here and we can advise further.
I guess that could be possible. I know my car can leak windshield wiper fluid if filled up too high (has a crack or hole somewhere in the tank). We have a 2001 Skoda Fabia hatchback, and a 2004 BMW 120i.

I will post a photo if there are any spots left on the drive since we have just washed it. Then we know if we really do have a problem or not.
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Re: Landlord complaint about ''oil'' on drive

Repave because there are spots? Totally bonkers.
Wait until Summer when the condensate water from the A/C drips down.
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Repave because there are spots? Totally bonkers.
Wait until Summer when the condensate water from the A/C drips down.
Well the tenants before us had the garage 33 years, and there were tons of oil spots. They had also made some holes in the driveway, which looks like it came from a trailer stand (maybe from move out). That's why they repaved the drive.
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Re: Landlord complaint about ''oil'' on drive

There can be many reasons spots appear from a vehicle.
Oil, gearbox fluid, brake dust. Look at the vehicle rims after driving 100kms.
Plus with the wet weather the brake dirt/grim can appear to be oily.
As long as you know its not leaking they can bitch and moan all they want.
Take the vehicles to the dealer for a thorough cleaning and under carriage inspection then send the landlord the bill to prove its not your vehicles.
You would be foolish to pay them extra money per month for parking where you have been all along.
Good luck when you leave that place!
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There can be many reasons spots appear from a vehicle.
Oil, gearbox fluid, brake dust. Look at the vehicle rims after driving 100kms.
Plus with the wet weather the brake dirt/grim can appear to be oily.
As long as you know its not leaking they can bitch and moan all they want.
Take the vehicles to the dealer for a thorough cleaning and under carriage inspection then send the landlord the bill to prove its not your vehicles.
You would be foolish to pay them extra money per month for parking where you have been all along.
Good luck when you leave that place!
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Re: Landlord complaint about ''oil'' on drive

Nutter Landlords, don't you just love them!

Either send her a copy of the car's last check, or get your Garage to confirm in writing there are no leaks. Send her copies of the paper work.

Take photos and document her chalk marks and photos to show there is no oil drops. Send her copies of the photographs too - all via registered post: Einschreiben

Join the Mieterverband ASAP (if she is giving you grief now about the drive, God knows what she's going to be like when you move out)

If she continue to pester you, get advice from the Mieterverband.
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Re: Landlord complaint about ''oil'' on drive

Reply to landlady : Thank you for your timely and precise information regarding spots on the driveway. I shall look into the matter and revert.

Go get a nice drink.

Relax.
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Re: Landlord complaint about ''oil'' on drive

Write a letter of complaint to the landlord that someone keeps putting chalk all over your parking spot.
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zuki- what a shame your landlady is being a pain. Best advice I can give, re future problems (cause it sounds like she will be looking for them) but mainly about your eventual move, is to join the tenants' Association NOW- called Mietverban- Google the nearest to you (Asloca in Romandie). It's cheap, and they have expert that will give advice, help with letters, visits, and know the law inside out. Just not worth being without. Often people join after they have problems (in you case further problems) and are in an emergency, to join- and they will always give priority to those who are already members (some have been lucky, but there much the exception ot the rule). Good luck- and just keep cool headed.
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Write a letter of complaint to the landlord that someone keeps putting chalk all over your parking spot.
Now thats funny!
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Nutter Landlords, don't you just love them!

Either send her a copy of the car's last check, or get your Garage to confirm in writing there are no leaks. Send her copies of the paper work.

Take photos and document her chalk marks and photos to show there is no oil drops. Send her copies of the photographs too - all via registered post: Einschreiben

Join the Mieterverband ASAP (if she is giving you grief now about the drive, God knows what she's going to be like when you move out)

If she continue to pester you, get advice from the Mieterverband.
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zuki- what a shame your landlady is being a pain. Best advice I can give, re future problems (cause it sounds like she will be looking for them) but mainly about your eventual move, is to join the tenants' Association NOW- called Mietverban- Google the nearest to you (Asloca in Romandie). It's cheap, and they have expert that will give advice, help with letters, visits, and know the law inside out. Just not worth being without. Often people join after they have problems (in you case further problems) and are in an emergency, to join- and they will always give priority to those who are already members (some have been lucky, but there much the exception ot the rule). Good luck- and just keep cool headed.
I joined the Mieterverband earlier this January before this all happened. Unfortunately another one of our friends also went through hell with a landlord, so once we heard his story we were quick to join.

Will go there during their office hours if need be on Tuesday.

Thanks everyone for all your advice!
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Re: Landlord complaint about ''oil'' on drive

You've done the right thing - checking and writing to her that you're doing everything you can to establish the cause and you will put it right. I don't think you need to go further than that. I laid a new driveway the other year at my place and wouldn't want any oil stains on it either but it seems she's being a bit excessive. You have to accept the occasional blemish. In a normal world you're entitled to something like "peaceful occupation" i.e. she's not allowed to hassle you like this.
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