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Rewiring for multimedia

Hi there,

As some of you are aware, I am in the early planning process of a refurb of an older house. I will replace the existing electrical box with a new one and rewire the whole house... well, our electrician will.

Currently, we have a Swisscom entry box in the house and it is also ready for Cablecom. Standard installation would be to fit a Swisscom socket in the living room if I go with them. I suppose something similar with Cablecom.

If I want to have television in the bedroom on the floor above, or in the spare room in the floor below, should I ask my electrician to install multimedia sockets there too? Is it preferable that he installs some kind of multimedia box in the spare room area next to the exisiting electrical board?

Basically, what do people do these days in terms of multimedia? I will still run a wifi network through the house using Apple time capsule and extenders if neccessary.

Bear in mind, like in all things, I'm very much a novice in this area.

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Re: Rewiring for multimedia

Long live the holy UTP cable.
Wire your entire house with (at least) two UTP sockets per room. Use Cat6 cable, then you have a Gigabit network all over. Forget about network extenders, powerline adapters etc. if you expect any kind of reliability. Multimedia-wise, you can run coaxial cable along the same tracks - one socket per room should be sufficient. If it's an older building (thicker walls etc) make sure you measure WiFi signal levels before setting up the permanent access points to ensure optimal coverage.
You can place the main cabinet (with the satellite switch, cable distributor etc) in the basement, doesn't necessarily have to be near the TV.

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Re: Rewiring for multimedia

Don't think too hard about it. 15 years I spent CHF 2'000 having our place wired for Swisscom ISDN and had also Cablecom sockets spread around the place as well.
The situation is now so that we use only 1 Swisscom socket (VDSL) and have canceled Cabelcom. By this last remaining in-use Swisscom socket we have a TV, a wireless router and a DECT (wireless) phone base station.
All PCs / Phones in the house are wireless. If we had another TV, it would be connected over a wireless link.
Swisscom has, incidentally, just sent us a proposal to change our connection from copper to glass.
The providers will continually change their technology. You should definitely not (IMHO) spend alot of money on a home infrastructure based on the current technology of one provider.
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Long live the holy UTP cable.
Wire your entire house with (at least) two UTP sockets per room. Use Cat6 cable, then you have a Gigabit network all over. Forget about network extenders, powerline adapters etc. if you expect any kind of reliability. Multimedia-wise, you can run coaxial cable along the same tracks - one socket per room should be sufficient. If it's an older building (thicker walls etc) make sure you measure WiFi signal levels before setting up the permanent access points to ensure optimal coverage.
You can place the main cabinet (with the satellite switch, cable distributor etc) in the basement, doesn't necessarily have to be near the TV.
Hmmm, we have a wired router, Playstation and NAS. None of our laptops, desktops, tablets, phones, our AV amp, or music players take UTP. Our wifi Powerline devices are rock solid and cost less than 200 chuffs. We stream music and video to numerous devices , often concurrently with no problems. For us wired UTP everywhere would make zero sense, so the OP would need to take their exact requirements into consideration.
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Hmmm, we have a wired router, Playstation and NAS. None of our laptops, desktops, tablets, phones, our AV amp, or music players take UTP. Our wifi Powerline devices are rock solid and cost less than 200 chuffs. We stream music and video to numerous devices , often concurrently with no problems. For us wired UTP everywhere would make zero sense, so the OP would need to take their exact requirements into consideration.
Unfortunately the new generation of breakers used will NOT work with Powerline devices (based on my experience). Have a look at my post on page 2 of this thread (link below). We upgraded the main box and the Powerline system we had in place was filtered to a point were it was useless. That was in late 2013 and they might have made changes in the meantime.

Powerline networking adapters... give me the skinny, how are they really?

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Re: Rewiring for multimedia

Thanks for the heads up. We'd have to use wireless repeaters in that case. UTP just wouldn't work for us.
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Re: Rewiring for multimedia

What multimedia socket would I have in each room exactly? Is it like just an Ethernet socket, or one of those with three circular holes, or something different?
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What multimedia socket would I have in each room exactly? Is it like just an Ethernet socket, or one of those with three circular holes, or something different?
We've got ethernet sockets (RJ45). They're actually dual sockets as they also have an RJ11 for landline telephones.

Having wireless access points fed via ethernet is going to give you better results if you have a problem with powerline adaptors.

Wi-fi repeaters don't make a lot of sense to me as you're basically passing on an already weak wifi signal (with some data loss) and then amplifying that.

Having AP fed from ethernet means at each point, you start with full speed data.
You also have the option of wiring your devices in a particular room if you so choose.
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What multimedia socket would I have in each room exactly? Is it like just an Ethernet socket, or one of those with three circular holes, or something different?
I would say you need an Ethernet socket and (wherever necessary) a TV (coaxial) connector at least. While it's unlikely you will have two TVs side-by-side, you might end up with two network devices which should have their own Ethernet connections (think a PC and an access point, for an instance).
This also depends on how you are going to receive TV signal. Is it via a local provider (DVB-C)? Are you planning to set up a satellite dish? Do you already have the TV set(s) or are planning to buy? I know someone who moved the entire reception from DVB-S2 (satellite) to IPTV - he obviously needed an IPTV server, but did away with the coaxial cables. Each solution has its ups and downs, primarily a balance between cost and flexibility.
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Re: Rewiring for multimedia

I got some great tips (admittedly for a new build) in this thread. Basically, we'll have the main router/modem in the basement and have wired ethernet in the living room and all bedrooms. On top of this, there will be wireless throughout for mobile devices and guests.
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Re: Rewiring for multimedia

Thanks for the info and thx for the link Paddy which I read with interest. I'm still trying to understand how everything connects in simple terms.

The gateway for my fibre looks like the attached. This is on the first floor close to the living room (I have a house where the living room is on the first floor and the spare room where the electrics are is on the ground floor).

If I want either Swisscom or Cablecom, Swisscom said that they would install a new socket in the living room. I would then connect my Swisscom modem/router/Tv box all in one to that.

Lets say I got Ethernet sockets installed in every room terminating in my spare room on the ground floor, as you guys seem to suggest....

If so, does that mean
1) The fibre entry thing in the attached pic would need to be wired to the ground floor spare room instead of installing the swisscom socket in the living room?
2) I would need some kind of switch on the ground floor. I plug the swisscom modem into this?

I'm confused because in the case of swisscom and Cablecom my modem is in the TV box so I would expect to plug that into a socket in the living room otherwise I cannot control it? Or in this setup do I need to get a separate modem and separate TV box?

3) Then at the switch on the ground floor, I would insert one cable from EACH room where there is a Ethernet socket in the house, and the modem would feed the connection from there?

Just wondering what bits I have right and what bits I am still misunderstanding?
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Thanks for the info and thx for the link Paddy which I read with interest. I'm still trying to understand how everything connects in simple terms.

The gateway for my fibre looks like the attached. This is on the first floor close to the living room (I have a house where the living room is on the first floor and the spare room where the electrics are is on the ground floor).

If I want either Swisscom or Cablecom, Swisscom said that they would install a new socket in the living room. I would then connect my Swisscom modem/router/Tv box all in one to that.

Lets say I got Ethernet sockets installed in every room terminating in my spare room on the ground floor, as you guys seem to suggest....

If so, does that mean
1) The fibre entry thing in the attached pic would need to be wired to the ground floor spare room instead of installing the swisscom socket in the living room?
That's what I would do, unless you really need the all-in-one box (this is something new to me, I admit - cable receiver and router in one, got a link to it?) to be physically near the TV. But my guess (note: guess!) is that the all-in-one device is just the "entry point", so to speak, and the handling of the TV signal (e.g. changing channels) is done by the TV itself. Or am I mistaken?


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2) I would need some kind of switch on the ground floor. I plug the swisscom modem into this?

I'm confused because in the case of swisscom and Cablecom my modem is in the TV box so I would expect to plug that into a socket in the living room otherwise I cannot control it? Or in this setup do I need to get a separate modem and separate TV box?
Yep. The cable going out of the switch's "WAN" or "Uplink" port would go into one of the all-in-one's ports.

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3) Then at the switch on the ground floor, I would insert one cable from EACH room where there is a Ethernet socket in the house, and the modem would feed the connection from there?

Just wondering what bits I have right and what bits I am still misunderstanding?
Normally you would do this via a patch panel - all UTP cables from the house would terminate in the same place and that's where you'd be placing the switch. But I'd need to know more about this oddity of a box before saying something for certain.
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Re: Rewiring for multimedia

I called Swisscom again and they said that if I have a multimedia box in the spare room on ground floor I would connect their modem to that, and then connect their tv box to Ethernet on the 1st floor living room.

However, my entry point is on the second floor. They say that they can only install the fiber optic socket in the living room on the first floor. How they get from one room to the other is an open question. If I want to then have the fiber optic socket by the planned multimedia box on the ground floor, I would need to pay for an extension.

EDIT: Swisscom will now send out someone to take a look and tell me how easy it will be to install in other rooms, so I am looking forward to see what they say.
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I called Swisscom again and they said that if I have a multimedia box in the spare room on ground floor I would connect their modem to that, and then connect their tv box to Ethernet on the 1st floor living room.

However, my entry point is on the second floor. They say that they can only install the fiber optic socket in the living room on the first floor. How they get from one room to the other is an open question. If I want to then have the fiber optic socket by the planned multimedia box on the ground floor, I would need to pay for an extension.

EDIT: Swisscom will now send out someone to take a look and tell me how easy it will be to install in other rooms, so I am looking forward to see what they say.
I'm a bit confused. Isn't your "entry point" the actual termination of the fiber connection, the media converter, i.e. the thing you plug your router into?
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Re: Rewiring for multimedia

I may not be using the correct terminology, but when I say entry point I am referring to the grey box in the picture above in this thread. The thing you are referring to I am calling the fiber optic socket (these are the terms that Swisscom used on the phone when I called them).

does that help?
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Re: Rewiring for multimedia

Swisscom said that my electrician should establish a connection from the entry point (BEP as the Swisscom guy called it) on my second floor corridor - to any electrical socket, and from there, the Swisscom people would pull through the fibre optic cable to the basement.

He said that the tubes in which the current wiring is, should be replaced as they are old and not very big, at the same time that the wiring itself is replaced. The fibre optic cable can be placed alongside the electrics, but the Ethernet cables cannot and would have to go in a separate tube.

Now it is a question of what the electrician can do around it.

The Swisscom guy said my idea of having double RJ45 (Ethernet sockets) in as many rooms as possible, and terminating in my spare room on the ground floor, is a good modern solution. He said that the existing copper which also extends from the BEP, can be taken away when I move to fibre.
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Re: Rewiring for multimedia

Ok guys, I now got a quote from an electrician, for adding Ethernet connectors EDV (not sure what this actually stands for?).

To give context, our house is a 5.5 townhouse, the electricity will need rewiring and the fuse boxes will need to be replaced. This has nothing to do with the internet but will cost lets say 13k to do.

I now got an additional offer to add Ethernet, these RJP45 double sockets, terminating in our basement: with RJP double sockets in first floor living room, second floor spare bedroom, second floor main bedroom, and the attic (our office). So all in all thats 8 cables. The electrician quoted chf 5K which seems mighty expensive to me. Cat 6 cable.

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