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A scare in the night

It's 4am and I woke up suddenly.
I heard a very strange and loud noise from my door. I get there put the light on and look out through the peep hole and see nothing untoward though I'm pretty sure my door was not unlocked before hand. My keys have been left in the lock- I understand this is safer as it stops something being put in the lock from the other side?

I live in an apartment building in a somewhat shady part of a shady city and I am rather scared.
The prospect of going to work tomorrow and leaving this place without a key in the door and me waiting ...

I thought of calling the police....but I saw nobody. All I heard was a noise and found my door unlocked. Had I locked it before? I normally do but....
Just no idea what I'd say to them.

I know that my apartment building at least claims to have cameras monitoring it on the lower floors.
I wonder. Who will likely have control of this? Do I write to the concierge (non english speaking and not too helpful) or the regie?

Also.....in the interests of paranoia for the future....is it normally allowable in rented flats to add another lock to the door?
How much does this typically cost here?
I understand many places here have a fancy lock for each apartment which also opens the building however that isn't the case for me. The building key and apartment key are completely seperate.

Edit-I tested for myself with my spare key....and it is perfectly possible to slightly push out a key that is inserted on the inside and unlock the door.

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Re: A scare in the night

Maybe there was someone on the staircase, coming home drunk in the early hours. You saw nobody, and maybe you forgot to lock the door, I do forget sometimes. If you intend staying you can ask the owner if you can add a lock to the door, but often the door is weaker than the lock, so not much help. Just remember to lock the door when you leave, and this being Switzerland, you will be OK. Real thieves will attack big houses in rich areas, not a small apartment in a poor area.
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Re: A scare in the night

Probably you left the door open. Maybe someone miss judged their door for theirs , put in the key and opened it , realizing the mistake (Given you left it unlocked) ......yes this has happened to me 2x now. once with an apartment, once where I had my keys in the ignition for a different car

If it puts you at ease more you can buy something like a doorlock stick (google it) that requires no modifications (I am sure you could find it online) and in any case , better safe then sorry.
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Probably you left the door open. Maybe someone miss judged their door for theirs , put in the key and opened it , realizing the mistake (Given you left it unlocked) ......yes this has happened to me 2x now. once with an apartment, once where I had my keys in the ignition for a different car

If it puts you at ease more you can buy something like a doorlock stick (google it) that requires no modifications (I am sure you could find it online) and in any case , better safe then sorry.


I'm sorry you had a scare - strange noises are never comforting (and that's an understatement, I know).


If googling Door lock Stick doesn't work, try Door Security Bar - that should. Amazon sell them (or at least Amazon UK do - not looked at DE).
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Old 03.03.2016, 08:41
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Re: A scare in the night

http://www.abus.com/eng/Commercial-S...rity/Door-bars

I fitted one of these door bars to my front door in Munich. It was expensive, and drilling the holes in the walls on each side was very difficult. But in the end, without sawing the door in half, even the fire service could not get in.

Germany tested it, good marks: http://www.abus.com/ger/Service/News...ist-Testsieger!
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Maybe there was someone on the staircase, coming home drunk in the early hours. You saw nobody, and maybe you forgot to lock the door, I do forget sometimes. If you intend staying you can ask the owner if you can add a lock to the door, but often the door is weaker than the lock, so not much help. Just remember to lock the door when you leave, and this being Switzerland, you will be OK. Real thieves will attack big houses in rich areas, not a small apartment in a poor area.
That's what I've always told myself. "Sure I live an area with a bunch of drug dealers & takers , beggars and desperate asylum seekers.... but they know not to crap in their bed"

Think when I get home I might drop a note with my neighbour to check if they came home at an odd time. Though I'm sure the noise came from my door.

Not sure about this being switzerland I'll be ok....lausanne isn't zurich. It is rather dodgy.
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Old 03.03.2016, 11:47
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Re: A scare in the night

Might have been this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploding_head_syndrome

I have experienced that before.
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Maybe there was someone on the staircase, coming home drunk in the early hours. You saw nobody, and maybe you forgot to lock the door, I do forget sometimes. If you intend staying you can ask the owner if you can add a lock to the door, but often the door is weaker than the lock, so not much help. Just remember to lock the door when you leave, and this being Switzerland, you will be OK. Real thieves will attack big houses in rich areas, not a small apartment in a poor area.
Real thieves (as opposed to fake thieves which are more common place in France and Germany) will not be kicking in doors. Doors are most commonly used by thieves when exiting - so a modern door with deadlocks and the keys not left in it is a good idea. Which is pretty much what most flats in Switzerland has.
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Old 03.03.2016, 12:17
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Re: A scare in the night

Change the lock cylinder if you are worried.

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Real thieves (as opposed to fake thieves which are more common place in France and Germany) will not be kicking in doors. Doors are most commonly used by thieves when exiting - so a modern door with deadlocks and the keys not left in it is a good idea. Which is pretty much what most flats in Switzerland has.
Agreed. If you are worried about your door being broken down in Switzerland, you have far bigger issues to think about - like how to launder the profits from your meth lab.
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Re: A scare in the night

Almost everyone I know in Basel has signs of forced entry on their apartment front doors. Whether this is only because people locked themselves out I don't know. It probably would be fine to fit another lock as long as you can 'make good' the door again when you leave.
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Almost everyone I know in Basel has signs of forced entry on their apartment front doors. Whether this is only because people locked themselves out I don't know. It probably would be fine to fit another lock as long as you can 'make good' the door again when you leave.
How would one fill in the hole left by a removed lock on a door though?

And any ideas on cost of lock fitting here?
It may be cheaper to fly my dad over from the uk to do it (he's a joiner. Can fit a lock in his sleep) . Or is there some sort of weird locksmith certificate needed?
Thinking it would be best to have a different kind of second lock to the flat key one that is my primary. A more normal front door type with a meaty key.
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Re: A scare in the night

I'm sure it was nothing.
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Re: A scare in the night

I think it must have been Poltergeist. Did you watch many horror movies before falling asleep?
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Re: A scare in the night

It's most likely nothing. You don't know what woke you as it was just a loud noise and you weren't awake when it happened. Your brain then woke you and attempted to craft a story about where the sound came from. As slappy says above, the entire thing might have been a subconscious fabrication anyway.

So you got up and walked to the door, as we all would if we thought we heard a noise and there's no-one else in the flat. Then you discovered you'd left the door unlocked (you're right - keeping the keys in it is the safest place as no-one can put keys in from the other side) and jumped to a conclusion. Most likely is that you didn't lock it. Coincidence. It happens.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Improbab.../dp/0593072812
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Re: A scare in the night

BTW if you leave the keys in often you can put keys in the other side and push the other keys out enough to then be able to unlock the door. If you turn the keys on the inside so that you can't pull them out yourself then usually they won't be able to be pushed out from the other side.

Leaving the keys in is safer in case there is a fire but also provides an escape route if a burglar has climbed in the window to steal your TV.

If you think someone might have a copy of the key you can have the barrel changed like someone else said. Usually that is very easy to do. They come in different security ratings based upon difficultly to pick and anti-drill qualities etc.

I have basic locks on an internal door of my apt and I often forget to lock it and when I get home I think "someone's been in here and unlocked the door", when of course they haven't.
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If you think someone might have a copy of the key you can have the barrel changed like someone else said. Usually that is very easy to do. They come in different security ratings based upon difficultly to pick and anti-drill qualities etc.
All you need to change it is the keys, a screwdriver, and two minutes.

And you can put the original back in the door when you quit the apartment, no damage to repair.

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