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Landlords and Regies

Does anybody know how much a typical regie charges a landlord - what percentage of the rent?


Is it possible to have a direct contract with the landlord? If so what are the risks and how could you do it?
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Old 19.04.2016, 15:43
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Re: Landlords and Regies

If the owner decided to use an agency, then that is the way it will be managed. Many apartments are owned by pension funds, and they simply add the agency fees to the rental.

If that isn't suitable, then look for another apartment, but be aware that many private landlords/owners will try all sorts of tricks, and often don't do the repairs very quickly.
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If the owner decided to use an agency, then that is the way it will be managed. Many apartments are owned by pension funds, and they simply add the agency fees to the rental.

If that isn't suitable, then look for another apartment, but be aware that many private landlords/owners will try all sorts of tricks, and often don't do the repairs very quickly.
Actually it's exactly the opposite for me. The regie is useless so I go direct to the owner who sorts everything out properly and timely. The owner downsized so only has one house rented and we are the first tenants. They are happy with us and we are happy with them so I was thinking of proposing to cut out the hopeless middle man and split the difference in rent. Obviously I would want to do it legally and properly.


Somebody mentioned that the regie charges are around 14%!!
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We'd had both experiences and the landlady was lovely, the regie is a nightmare. But what the regie's apartment offers is security. We aren't likely to be kicked out. Whereas the landlady decided after a year that she needed us out so that her son could come back to town and live in it. It was all very amicable, she gave us 6 months notice and let us leave whenever we liked, but the fact is, after all the trauma of finding a place, we ended up with all the trauma again very quickly.

So all in all, I thought the second time we looked, we should only go for places that were owned by corporations.
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They are happy with us and we are happy with them so I was thinking of proposing to cut out the hopeless middle man and split the difference in rent.
So long as you broach the subject tactfully with your landlord, it sounds like it would suit both parties. Note, though, that some landlords like to have the buffer of an agent, even if they don't use/rely on them, so don't assume that your landlord will automatically accept.
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Another issue to consider is privacy. I think if you look around here you will find many stories of people who had a landlord who thought he/she could drop by whenever they felt like it.

Our landlady did, both when we were there and when we weren't. That might not bother you. We thought it was weird but never broached it with her. She was scared about her property investment being trashed by whoever her tenant was, I guess. But I think lots of people have had horrible experiences.

A regie, on the other hand, would never do that. Would they???
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Another issue to consider is privacy. I think if you look around here you will find many stories of people who had a landlord who thought he/she could drop by whenever they felt like it.

Our landlady did, both when we were there and when we weren't. That might not bother you. We thought it was weird but never broached it with her. She was scared about her property investment being trashed by whoever her tenant was, I guess. But I think lots of people have had horrible experiences.

A regie, on the other hand, would never do that. Would they???
Yes, they would. They're supposed to make sure the tenant doesn't trash the place so should be making inspections. We had several visits from the regie when we were renting.
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Yes, they would. They're supposed to make sure the tenant doesn't trash the place so should be making inspections. We had several visits from the regie when we were renting.
But I was talking about uninvited, unannounced visits. Our landlady - and I think plenty of others here have had the same experience - would come in and poke around.

I don't believe a regie would do that without permission and without it being an announced visit, surely. We did in fact have an unannounced visit from the regie one day with a chap who'd come to check the something arather, but they were apologetic and informed us that we didn't have to let them in. I don't believe the regie has ever come to our apartment to check it out while we aren't there!

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We'd had both experiences and the landlady was lovely, the regie is a nightmare. But what the regie's apartment offers is security. We aren't likely to be kicked out. Whereas the landlady decided after a year that she needed us out so that her son could come back to town and live in it. It was all very amicable, she gave us 6 months notice and let us leave whenever we liked, but the fact is, after all the trauma of finding a place, we ended up with all the trauma again very quickly.

So all in all, I thought the second time we looked, we should only go for places that were owned by corporations.
That would have happened whether you were renting via an agency or not, it's one of the few ways it's possible to end a tenants contract for a reason that's not tied to the tenants behaviour (non-payment of rent, damaging the premises, etc.). Relatives trump renters.
I've know it happen to people in both situations; it was the only way my son's in-laws could free up one of their Geneva properties when their daughter needed somewhere to live after university that wasn't a tiny box. Took a couple of years to finally get the tenant out even so as they appealed several times (and stopped paying the rent from the day they received the original letter of notice!).
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So does anybody know the typical percentage a Regie charges?
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Old 21.04.2016, 18:28
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That would have happened whether you were renting via an agency or not, it's one of the few ways it's possible to end a tenants contract for a reason that's not tied to the tenants behaviour (non-payment of rent, damaging the premises, etc.). Relatives trump renters.
I've know it happen to people in both situations; it was the only way my son's in-laws could free up one of their Geneva properties when their daughter needed somewhere to live after university that wasn't a tiny box. Took a couple of years to finally get the tenant out even so as they appealed several times (and stopped paying the rent from the day they received the original letter of notice!).
True, I guess I meant you should only rent something that is owned by a big corporation if you want long term security. And they, I suppose, always use regies.
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Re: Landlords and Regies

Cost is of course subject to extent of service rendered. Typically it ranges from 4% (big order, dozens of apartments) to 6% (small order, ten apartments or less) of the rent (can be gross or net). where some regies charge a minimum amount in the order of 3-4k.
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why would a Landlord not use a Regie?, they provide security against tenants that misuse the property or that are late in paying. why would a Landlord split the difference with you?.. if you were the landlord back in your home country, would you split it also? ....
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why would a Landlord not use a Regie?, they provide security against tenants that misuse the property or that are late in paying. why would a Landlord split the difference with you?.. if you were the landlord back in your home country, would you split it also? ....
The regime does not provide any security whatsoever, they are doing the owners donkey work thats all.
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The regime does not provide any security whatsoever, they are doing the owners donkey work thats all.
I think you are wrong. however, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Regies know the law and do thinks by the book. I always say: if you are a good tenant, he will be a good landlord!
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We pay CHF 480/year in management fees.

But we own the apartment.

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I think you are wrong. however, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Regies know the law and do thinks by the book. I always say: if you are a good tenant, he will be a good landlord!
How does knowing the law & doing it by the book equal additional security for the landlord or preventing any Tennant from misuse or paying rent late? For info I had set up a standing order for 5 years, it ran out 4 months before the agent noticed I had not paid.........I lived in the apartment for over 15 years in total.
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Regardless of what the LL pays, the regie is working for the LL, if the LL gets rid of the regie, I would imagine that he pockets the difference. I'm not sure why you think the LL would want to give any of the savings to you.
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How does knowing the law & doing it by the book equal additional security for the landlord or preventing any Tennant from misuse or paying rent late? For info I had set up a standing order for 5 years, it ran out 4 months before the agent noticed I had not paid.........I lived in the apartment for over 15 years in total.
Though to be fair, 4 months of void over 15 years isn't bad
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I don't believe a regie would do that without permission and without it being an announced visit, surely. We did in fact have an unannounced visit from the regie one day with a chap who'd come to check the something arather, but they were apologetic and informed us that we didn't have to let them in. I don't believe the regie has ever come to our apartment to check it out while we aren't there!
You can always say no. No need to let anyone in unannounced unless it is an emergency which needs immediate reaction to save live or property..

For bold part. I cannot believe that anyone would tolerated anyone in his home when you are not there. If someone just enters your house w/o permission it is commonly called trespassing and crime. Also the law calls it a crime:

Art. 186 Swiss Criminal Code https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...ndex.html#a186
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Any person who, against the will of the lawful occupants enters a building, an apartment, a self-contained room within a building, an enclosed area, courtyard or garden forming a direct part of a building, or a clearly demarcated workplace or, despite requests from the lawful occupants to leave, remains in such a location, is liable on complaint to a custodial sentence not exceeding three years or to a monetary penalty.
A Landlord doing so has the joy of being reported to the police and having it done three times at once: The first , the only, and the last time.
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